Do extra terrestrials exist? If so...

SheepBeast said:
But the criteria aren't the same. You just have to look at the statistics to realise that there is a strong probability of extra-terrestrial (microbial) life existing. It's not "proof" obviously, but it is strong enough that it can be used as the basis for belief. The concept of God doesn't have the same statistical support. People commonly cite the "fine tuning" of the universe but this is a stupid argument for several reasons.

Intelligent alien life is another matter. It's cool to think it could be out there, but I really don't know. Your comparison to God is much more valid when applied to the specific case of intelligent life. I guess my beliefs could be summarised:

1) microbial alien life: yes, definitely. probably widespread on thousands of planets in our galaxy alone.
2) intelligent alien life: maybe, but if it does exist it's VERY rare and seperated from us not just by huge spatial distances but likely by huge temporal ones too. for this reason I doubt we'll ever meet them, therefore agnosticism on the issue is currently the most logical position.

EDIT: regarding microbial alien life. If we find microbes on titan or europa that would indicate that the universe is pretty much teeming with life and would be AMAZING.
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Jeez....READ THE THREAD. It is about the possibility...NOT THE PROBABILITY. I have explained this upteen times..:)
 

Don't know what the hell that is in the video but it makes you ask questions.
Whatever it is be it man made or not its very fast, and is Intelligent to dodge whatever is being fired at it.

Could be some kind of space weapon testing, however the thing in the video looks to have been traveling at very high speeds and to have stopped instantly and change direction before flying off at even higher speeds is very impressive.Many dozens of g's must have been involved.
 
I hope so,

There are many videos that make you ask questions, the worst part is that all they are able to do. Make you ask more questions. Still waiting on them answers!

Something a little more than 42! (this is one of the best answers to most things tho)
 
Or could be debris outside the craft pushed by a nozzle thrusters. Nothing made and no intelligence. Just humans trying to apply what they know to an "alien" environment. Exactly the same fallacies with the moon landing CT, as they haven't compensated for the reflectiveness of the moon, or zero atmosphere. So try applying earth logic and come up with BS.
 
Muzza1875 said:
Could be some kind of space weapon testing, however the thing in the video looks to have been traveling at very high speeds and to have stopped instantly and change direction before flying off at even higher speeds is very impressive.Many dozens of g's must have been involved.
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That video has never impressed me for the simple fact that if it was an Alien inhabited UFO why did it move like it did and not just get out of the way?
Oh yeah, because they're Aliens.
I'm not satisfied at all that it's a weapon either and I have always thought it's just dust particles in the lens.
 
and why did they ave guided "Missiles" and why was the missile about the same size as the supposed "craft", also if it was dodging, why did it move out the way miles before the projectile.

as you say its a rubbish video.

I mean DARPA is working on guided bullets, let alone missile type stuff.
 
Glaucus said:
Or could be debris outside the craft pushed by a nozzle thrusters. Nothing made and no intelligence. Just humans trying to apply what they know to an "alien" environment. Exactly the same fallacies with the moon landing CT, as they haven't compensated for the reflectiveness of the moon, or zero atmosphere. So try applying earth logic and come up with BS.
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Nozzle thrusters? You can clearly see a large flash from below the atmosphere, followed by an object shooting out towards whatever is above atmosphere.
Why is it flying upwards?
 
Muzza1875 said:
Nozzle thrusters? You can clearly see a large flash from below the atmosphere, followed by an object shooting out towards whatever is above atmosphere.
Why is it flying upwards?
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no you cant, you have no idea of distances or perspective. it is not clearly atmosphere based at all. like making stuff up?
 
Glaucus said:
and why did they ave guided "Missiles" and why was the missile about the same size as the supposed "craft", also if it was dodging, why did it move out the way miles before the projectile.

as you say its a rubbish video.

I mean DARPA is working on guided bullets, let alone missile type stuff.
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I don't remember saying it was a missile.
 
Life, by all probability exists. Simple premise is, elements suitable for organic life are statistically abundant, so are environments suitable for life.

Extraterrestrial visitors, well, that's another matter. From what we know of the laws that govern the universe, it is simply not physically possible.

All the rest is speculation.
 
Muzza1875 said:
I don't remember saying it was a missile.
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It doesn't matter what it is, it has still got to get out of our atmosphere and why is it such a **** weapon?
Ooh look an Alien spacecraft playing boy racers, let's shoot a catapault at it.
We've had missiles that follow craft before blowing them up for years so at the very least we should have seen some Top Gun weapon/Alien dodging action.
And if they are Aliens with such advanced technology why intimidate them in the first place?

You really have to look at the most simplest answer because all the other stuff makes no sense whatsoever.
 
Aeleys said:
Just to nitpick what if you took a stone from the middle, meaning no corrosion etc, what if it was a "jenga" block perfectly constructed? would it change your mind (not that im saying aliens did anything for us, but there are still things we don't know jack about)

just asking :p

The pyramids are 99.9% man made, that's for sure i just wanted a "what if" answer lol
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You can see from that photo that the stones are fitted together and are different sizes. Weathering wouldn't account for that - the stones were different sizes when it was built. If the variation in size was due to weathering and they were initially the same size, there would be gaps between them.

Also, skilled masons working with large quantities of good quality stone or easily worked stone can turn out blocks with a consistent size. The variation you often see is probably due to natural flaws in the stone, i.e. you have to cut your blocks to avoid the flaws.
 
Are they out there, Yes.

Have they come here, there doesnt seem to be concrete evidence, thus i cannot say, saying "No they havent" is not correct either.
 
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yes,i would think you would have to be incredibly naive to think otherwise,i think the universe is abundant with life,one of the reasons we are here is because the universe is not perfect and has flaws built into it,or so i read.
 
I'm a fence sitter on this issue. Some of the evidence that supposes that we have been visited by intelligent life forms is extremely compelling. However, the one aspect that always seems to trump the idea is that we have never been contacted. These 'aliens' are always hiding in the skies and they apparently have the ability to control electronic components but don't have the ability to announce their presence overtly. Why? Us humans have sent our greetings into space in so many different and ingenious forms in order to try and get a response. Why is it that a civilisations who possess the technology to travel huge distances don't possess the ingenuity to communicate?

In regards to ancient civilisation contacted by aliens, it's an interesting question. For example, we have a large tribes of people that live on Earth who rarely if ever associate with the modern world. Some of these tribes (sometimes numbering in the hundreds) have been living in their own civilisations for tens of thousands of years. Why have they not built impressive structures? We know they have the time, the resources and the manpower.

I'm 100% sure that are other intelligent lifeforms in our universe. I'd love to see us communicating with them within my lifetime but I'm probably more likely to win the lottery jackpot several times over.
 
Zbornak said:
For example, we have a large tribes of people that live on Earth who rarely if ever associate with the modern world. Some of these tribes (sometimes numbering in the hundreds) have been living in their own civilisations for tens of thousands of years. Why have they not built impressive structures? We know they have the time, the resources and the manpower.
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Easy, they don't have the type of Gods and/or power mad dictators that demanded such structures.
Instead they were just content with slitting a goats throat.
 
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