Do extra terrestrials exist? If so...

Zbornak said:
In regards to ancient civilisation contacted by aliens, it's an interesting question. For example, we have a large tribes of people that live on Earth who rarely if ever associate with the modern world. Some of these tribes (sometimes numbering in the hundreds) have been living in their own civilisations for tens of thousands of years. Why have they not built impressive structures? We know they have the time, the resources and the manpower.

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Large populations for the man power? No they don't which of these tribes number 10s of thousands or even hundreads or thousands. Then you have to look at why they where built. Ancient astronaut theory is a a steaming pile of **** although I do enjoy and reading Graham Hancock books but he lives in dream land.

There's massive difference in the cultures of small tribes and Egyptians, Aztec, incans and the far east temple building tribes.
 
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Glaucus said:
although I do enjoy and reading Graham Hancock books but he lives in dream land.
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I've been to a couple of Graham Hancock evenings and he's never mentioned his belief in Ancient Aliens.
Graham Hancock is more a believer of Ancient Civilisations that go further back then first believed and I'm with him on that one.
 
I'm with him on that as well, melt of the last ice age seems to of destroyed a lot and makes it hard to do archeology. Also as old "towns" would have been on the coast rivers. It makes sense they where flooded.

There is a fair bit of silliness in his books though. Like the Aztec lines.
 
Glaucus said:
There's massive difference in the cultures of small tribes and Egyptians, Aztec, incans and the far east temple building tribes.
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There's a massive difference in the cultures of Egyptians and the Catholics of the 11th century but both cultures created huge structures in the name of their religion. Religion normally seems to make humans build big things!
 
There's not huge difference. Extremely wealthy, populations in 100s of thousands, worshipers.
Massive difference to tiny poor tribes that remain isolated. Which usually barely number in the hundreads.
 
Glaucus said:
There is a fair bit of silliness in his books though. Like the Aztec lines.
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You'll have to jog my memory on that one.
I remember Danniken saying they were UFO runways and the spider was a UFO airport which would make the UFOs about 2 foot wide.

This is what Hancock had to say:
The lines of Nazca. Who made them? How were they made? When were they made? What do they mean? The truth is no one knows the answer to these questions and, in fact, we may never be able to answer them.

Hancock is on the fence about Aliens though.
 
In hancocks mind the spider is a particular breed which doesn't come from the region. And must be a sign of a world super civilisation.
It's been a few years, but it's the finger prints of god one.

Some of it is really interesting but other parts I was just shaking my head in disbelief.
 
Glaucus said:
In hancocks mind the spider is a particular breed which doesn't come from the region. And must be a sign of a world super civilisation.
It's been a few years, but it's the finger prints of god one.

Some of it is really interesting but other parts I was just shaking my head in disbelief.
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But he has a point.
There are things in America that are also in Africa when the two continents should never have been known about by each other.
If I remember right there are wicker boats on Lake Titicaca that are identical to ones in Egypt.
I think the Maya's made something like 15 huge heads that were most definitely African in looks.
Pyramids in Africa and pyramids in South America.
Even on the Pyramid Of The Sun they performed a slitting of the mouth ritual which was also done in Egypt.
All Hancock was suggesting was that there was some civilisation that passed on info to both parts of the world and he was also very careful not to mention Atlantis once :)
 
Pyramids are easy, that's the easiest and safest shape, they all follow very different designs.

I rember the heads , but I wasn't convinced. Can't remember why now.

Just like why they built pyramid shapes, the same principles apply to rituals. Lots of rituals based on sun, human sacrifice, beheding/heart etc. Does that mean they are linked. Not in my mind. Just that we all have the same anatomy and when you follow a certain path, you are very likely to end up with similar rituals in terms of what body parts, but obviously very different rituals in the whole.
 
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Do I believe they exsist? Yes the universe is far too big for us to be alone.

Do I believe they've ever visited earth or tried to communicate with our species? No.
 
Glaucus said:
Pyramids are easy, that's the easiest and safest shape, they all follow very different designs.

I rember the heads , but I wasn't convinced. Can't remember why now.

Just like why they built pyramid shapes, the same principles apply to rituals. Lots of rituals based on sun, human sacrifice, beheding/heart etc. Does that mean they are linked. Not in my mind. Just that we all have the same anatomy and when you follow a certain path, you are very likely to end up with similar rituals in terms of what body parts, but obviously very different rituals in the whole.
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At the end of the day he only puts theories forward and doesn't say it is absolutely true like Eric Von Danniken or Giorgio Tsoukalis do.
He does believe that civilisations go back a lot further than historians/archaeologists have told us and he does offer a lot of evidence such as Yonaguni and the undersea town off the west coast of India.
At least he doesn't declare that Ancient Aliens did it.
 
Zbornak said:
I'm a fence sitter on this issue. Some of the evidence that supposes that we have been visited by intelligent life forms is extremely compelling. However, the one aspect that always seems to trump the idea is that we have never been contacted. These 'aliens' are always hiding in the skies and they apparently have the ability to control electronic components but don't have the ability to announce their presence overtly. Why? Us humans have sent our greetings into space in so many different and ingenious forms in order to try and get a response. Why is it that a civilisations who possess the technology to travel huge distances don't possess the ingenuity to communicate?
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Personally I don't believe that aliens have been here, hidden or not. But if I did, my response would be that the lack of communication isn't due to a lack of ability but more a lack of desire. It'd be a bit like humans staying inside a Hide to observe wild animals. The aliens would be so far ahead of us technologically we would be objects of interest/study/preservation rather than potential friends/allies.

In regards to ancient civilisation contacted by aliens, it's an interesting question. For example, we have a large tribes of people that live on Earth who rarely if ever associate with the modern world. Some of these tribes (sometimes numbering in the hundreds) have been living in their own civilisations for tens of thousands of years. Why have they not built impressive structures? We know they have the time, the resources and the manpower.
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There are two things you missed out on: desire/need and technology.
 
Zbornak said:
In regards to ancient civilisation contacted by aliens, it's an interesting question. For example, we have a large tribes of people that live on Earth who rarely if ever associate with the modern world. Some of these tribes (sometimes numbering in the hundreds) have been living in their own civilisations for tens of thousands of years. Why have they not built impressive structures? We know they have the time, the resources and the manpower.
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At the risk of putting out an option too simple for consideration - maybe they simply didn't care to? There may not have been the imperatives for them that existed for other civilisations to cause them to feel a desire to build large or intricate structures. It's equally possible that their civilisation simply didn't advance in that direction - even if we went back several thousand years with the same startpoint as has led to what we call civilisation now then the outcome could potentially be very different. Although this will partly depend on whether you believe that a given set of inputs must create a specific output and whether it can be altered by other factors acting on it.
 
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In regards to ancient civilisation contacted by aliens, it's an interesting question. For example, we have a large tribes of people that live on Earth who rarely if ever associate with the modern world. Some of these tribes (sometimes numbering in the hundreds) have been living in their own civilisations for tens of thousands of years. Why have they not built impressive structures? We know they have the time, the resources and the manpower.
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What they obviously don't have is the most important thing - the will to do it. Impressive structures, whatever they are, take a lot of time and effort with ancient methods. Major hillforts (even, in some case, hills to put them on), pyramids, large stone henges, aqueducts, roads, cathedrals...what they all have in common is massive amounts of time and effort and that means massive amounts of motivation. There needs to be a very compelling reason for building the structure.
 
Zbornak said:
I'm a fence sitter on this issue. Some of the evidence that supposes that we have been visited by intelligent life forms is extremely compelling.
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Such as? I have never come across any "evidence" that is at all compelling that we have been visited by intelligent life forms.
 
RDM said:
Such as? I have never come across any "evidence" that is at all compelling that we have been visited by intelligent life forms.
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To me the most compelling evidence is always that from Air Force pilots and NASA scientists who with all of their considerable knowledge of all things air and space are unable to identify or explain things they have seen, or have come to the conclusion even after they have considered all possibilities that what they have seen was not based on human technology. A fair few (and some of notable rank) have come out and spoken up about this now and while they of course have no hard evidence, their testimonies are very compelling.
 
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