Do you flash, or expect to be flashed in warning of mobile speed cameras?

It wasn't *that* long ago when RAC and AA patrol men had a coded way to warn motorists of speed traps ahead. I see this question has similarly opposing opinions as to whether one should as those in the bar.... ;) It seemed like younger people were disapproving, whilst older ones were shocked the younger ones found it odd or immoral! The funniest part was the most vociferous young detractor of flashing on moralistic grounds was the one who drove home after 4 or more pints <LOL>
 
Hand out the window, thumb down, I see large numbers of other road users doing it so presume it's mildly popular.

The standard biker and lorry driver discreet warning. Bearing in mind warning others is technically illegal (impeding a police officer in the course of his duty).
 
Happens a lot where I live and whenever I'm flashed there's normally either a police checkpoint or (s)camera van up ahead. I don't tend to flash other people as knowing my luck I'll end up flashing an undercover cop car (sounds ludicrous but over here there are thousands of them roaming about).
 
Well people flash to warn, so if you are flashed then there's something up ahead to be aware off or there's an issue with your car.

I think that's now the problem. Too many people flash their lights now for various different things, that if you get flashed you don't know whether someone's thanking you, letting you go, telling you something is wrong with your car, or warning you of a speed camera further down the road.

I only flash my lights either to say thankyou (if it's dark), or on the motorway if someone wants to move into the lane i'm in and i either can't move out, or am happy to slow up a bit.

I had to flash some guy coming down a hill yesterday with his main beam and fog lights on, felt like i was staring directly at the sun.
 
Hmm I dunno, 99 times out of a 100 if I'm flashed I know what it's for.


Hooliganism behind the wheel? ;)

Out here in the sticks it's usually because it's someone you know flashing as a greeeting, but the mobile speed trap on the A49 outside Whitchurch south side always has truck drivers flashing a warning to lorries, cars and bikes alike.
 
I think that's now the problem. Too many people flash their lights now for various different things, that if you get flashed you don't know whether someone's thanking you, letting you go, telling you something is wrong with your car, or warning you of a speed camera further down the road.

I only flash my lights either to say thankyou (if it's dark), or on the motorway if someone wants to move into the lane i'm in and i either can't move out, or am happy to slow up a bit.

I had to flash some guy coming down a hill yesterday with his main beam and fog lights on, felt like i was staring directly at the sun.

it's a complex code, length of flash, number of flashes, use of hazards/indicators and horn is an interesting method to communicate. as far as i've been able to tell there's a rough standard round our way of:

1 short flash- warning of speed cameras, reminder their mainbeams are still on etc
1 short flash (from a lorry)- letting the lorry who's just overtaken know their trailer has cleared and they can move in
2 short flashes- letting someone out at junctions
1 long flash- expression of displeasure
rapid flashes- telling someone they or their car is dangerous (for example driving at night with no lights or failing to deactivate mainbeams after a short flash)
3 hazard blinks (to someone behind you)/alternating indicators side to side- saying thank you to someone who lets you out (especially at night when waving doesnt work)
hazard blinks (to someone infront of you)- danger ahead
rear foglight flash- your lights are too damn bright!
 
Hooliganism behind the wheel?
Pretty much yeah, if I cut someone up or pull out in front of them etc. BMW driver now.

wonder if any took it to court, I would imagine a robust defence of an alternative reason for flashing their lights might be very hard to disprove.
The indicator/flash stick is on the left in the BMW and on the right in the Integra. I've often done the wrong one when wanting to clean my window.
 
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Seems there was a purge in Lancashire a while back to prosecute motorists flashing a warning of speed traps

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/326000/Drivers-fined-for-warning-of-speed-trap

I wonder if any took it to court, I would imagine a robust defence of an alternative reason for flashing their lights might be very hard to disprove.

Yeah that would be very hard to prove.

You could never prove there was intent to warn the other driver of an impeding speed trap by way of light flashes - it's hardly morse code.

I suspect if anything it was more a tactic to scare drivers into not following such practice.
 
Bearing in mind warning others is technically illegal (impeding a police officer in the course of his duty).

Always found it a bit hypocritical that it's considered an offence. Surely the duty of the police officer should be to make the roads safer by deterring speeders in the first place? By warning other drivers that they are approaching a speed trap, they are in fact increasing the effectiveness of the trap, by causing others to slow down earlier.

I am perhaps a little cynical of speed traps. I rarely see camera vans, etc, but there is one that I've seen near my house occasionally...set up overlooking a fast, smooth, well sited dual carriageway. Rather than outside the school a few roads away.
 
That article made it clear that mobile vans are unsuitable for the job:

link said:
PC Antony Gray, of the road policing unit, said: “People who flash their headlights at other cars to warn them that there are police officers nearby may think they are doing someone a favour but potentially they are putting lives at risk.

“Flashing your lights at someone may make them slow down for just a second, but it will not make them change their habits in the long run.

Speeding motorists need to be stopped and spoken to by officers.


If speeding motorists need to be stopped and spoken to in order to learn from their mistakes, then a camera van is not suitable at reducing the amount of speeding drivers on our roads because it doesn't give the driver and officer a chance to talk to each other.
 
That article made it clear that mobile vans are unsuitable for the job:



If speeding motorists need to be stopped and spoken to in order to learn from their mistakes, then a camera van is not suitable at reducing the amount of speeding drivers on our roads because it doesn't give the driver and officer a chance to talk to each other.

Good point..... :)
 
No and no. Absolutely not.

If someone wants to break the law why should I help them get away with it?

Same goes for me, if I speed I deserve everything I get.
 
This is always going to bring the cameras out locally, this and a big bike meeting:

http://response.pure360.com/interfa...e=emailCampaign&utm_medium=email&utm_content=

There are two fixed cameras in a 40 and 30 limit just near Panama Hatties on the A49 near Spurstow. One is bent over facing the ground as has been for months. Apparently an artic driver "accidentally" backed his trailer into it..... The A49 is much favoured by the more exuberant bikers in the summer and they proved a great cash cow for Cheshire. Now half the cow is dry :)
 
This is always going to bring the cameras out locally, this and a big bike meeting:

http://response.pure360.com/interfa...e=emailCampaign&utm_medium=email&utm_content=

There are two fixed cameras in a 40 and 30 limit just near Panama Hatties on the A49 near Spurstow. One is bent over facing the ground as has been for months. Apparently an artic driver "accidentally" backed his trailer into it..... The A49 is much favoured by the more exuberant bikers in the summer and they proved a great cash cow for Cheshire. Now half the cow is dry :)

yeah when I went to japfest near silverstone on the 30th we had like 10 police cars, anpr etc cameras all over the place! no way could you speed at any point really.
 
No and no. Absolutely not.

If someone wants to break the law why should I help them get away with it?

Same goes for me, if I speed I deserve everything I get.

^This.

And having been banned for speeding (years ago for 3 months) it has resulted in me stucking to the limits (getting an overcrowded bus in the winter sucks and not something I ever want to repeat).
 
No and no. Absolutely not.

If someone wants to break the law why should I help them get away with it?

Same goes for me, if I speed I deserve everything I get.

Just to move the discussion on a bit, would you mind saying if you are over or under say 30 years of age? You wouldn't pro actively warn of a speed trap, but what would you do if you , assuming you frequent pubs, saw someone about to drive away who you had seen drinking say 4 or 5 pints? Ignore it? Have a discreet word before they drove off, risking a confrontation? Report them? What if it was someone you knew locally? A friend or relative? Would that matter?
 
Do you flash on coming cars to warn them of a mobile speed camera ahead of them? Do you expect fellow motorists to flash you?
Nope and nope.
Not my problem and most people will read something else from it anyway.

I was disappointed not to be flashed by at least one vehicle in heavy oncoming traffic, over the recent Bank Holiday when I came upon a stealthily concealed copper with a speed gun.
Why?
Just like the horn, the flashing of high-beam lights is to advise other motorists of your presence. This is acceptable if you're being overtaken, for example, by a large HGV, as it lets them know they're past you and it's safe for them to pull in, which is why they're sometimes called Passing Lamps and the switch is sometimes labelled 'Pass'.
However, it has got to the point where people flash them under all manner of different situations, leading to things like the Flash For Cash types. IIRC, the Highway Code does specifically say you must not flash your headlights to convey any other message or intimidate other road users.

On top of all that, anyone flashing you oncoming would also be flashing the person in front of them, meaning further confusion.

So there's that, plus you technically shouldn't need to be told if there's a cop round the corner, as you're a good boy doing the correct, legal speed, right...? :p

Bikes certainly do offer warnings, but it's easier to do without using the headlights. Pointing diagonally up is usually a speed camera, while a thumb-down fist atop the head signifies a Police Officer (or similar).
Same as pointing down indicates hazardous road surface (ice, oil, gravel, etc) and a general palm-down patting sort of affair is a sign to slow down, usually because of some other hazard like a horse rider.
 
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