Poll: Do you think AMD will be able to compete with Nvidia again during the next few years?

[Zeed]

Most people only want AMD to do well in GPU space so as to lower Nvidia prices, soon it will be to lower Intel & Nvidia prices lol, AMD will be blamed for both high Intel and Nvidia GPU prices..

In the CPU space people are switching to AMD or just sticking with over priced Intel, as AMD lowering the price bracket there has made a few people switch but there are still many who won't touch them.

Whatever AMD do they wont win, they are better off focusing on one segment and really going for it there imho

I honestly think AMD should sell off their GPU wing when Intel enter the market, or just focus on the low end of the market.

Bit definitely they should carry on making console chips.

Yup No matter what they have it will sale in low numbers compared to NV. If iw as amd id aim at sub 450 pound cards. They tried with Overclockers dream Fury X and Volta killer Vega. And we all know how it went for them.

If You want some of that High end high margin pie... you need to deliver High performance not just AS GOOD. Ass good is not Good enough !!

 

[KentMan]

So, you want them to sell of their GPU biz but also carry on making console chips? Which contain a GPU that they won't be able to make if they sell of that part of the company? Hmmm, maybe not such a good idea

No they would just need to focus on making APUs and custom SOCs, and like I say stick to the low end GPU market.

Forget chasing the high end, leave that to Intel and Nvidia, they both have the financial clout.to take lumps out of each other.

AMD should stick to making CPUs and dojng it well

 

[Vince]

Most people only want AMD to do well in GPU space so as to lower Nvidia prices, soon it will be to lower Intel & Nvidia prices lol, AMD will be blamed for both high Intel and Nvidia GPU prices..

In the CPU space people are switching to AMD or just sticking with over priced Intel, as AMD lowering the price bracket there has made a few people switch but there are still many who won't touch them.

Whatever AMD do they wont win, they are better off focusing on one segment and really going for it there imho

I honestly think AMD should sell off their GPU wing when Intel enter the market, or just focus on the low end of the market.

Bit definitely they should carry on making console chips.

Problem you have there is say they do sell off their gpu arm and related ip, it is that same ip that allows them to make all the soc chips for the consoles? The same thing that allows the "zen" master plan of embedding high end gpu's into the same die as the cpu? you see the predicament? They need all their ip if they eventually take the market in the way they have been pulling it in the last I don't know 10+ years, but which only really now is gaining any traction. TBH I welcome EPYC and Threadripper as very solid entries into the server space and HEDT and having already bought into TR ill be replacing everything with 7nm EPYC next year. I can't really see this trend going away now tbh, Small chips on fabric in the cpu space is absolutely the way to go and you know intel will follow. They have to.

As for GPU's I think AMD may get closer to NV over the next two or so gpu architectures, I don't think navi closes the gap entirely but I think it gets closer. It's pretty clear that right here and now nvidia basically own the average pc gamer. With me I will probably not be tempted by an nvidia gpu anytime soon, I mean I have only owned a 1030 since gf3 ti500 back in the day.

 

[r7slayer]

If nvidia is pricing their cards like this. Do they know something we dont? As in they know AMD wont be competing high end again this time. Seen as we are looking at a polaris style launch again first from AMD.

 

[Nasher]

If nvidia is pricing their cards like this. Do they know something we dont? As in they know AMD wont be competing high end again this time. Seen as we are looking at a polaris style launch again first from AMD.

They most likely saw how high prices went during the mining craze and wanted a piece of it. But the craze is now over and Nvidia are left with a bunch of comically overpriced cards.

 

[KentMan]

I think Nvidia saw how well their Titan series sold and decided to push their GPU tiers in price to match, they know there is a market for their high end Halo products, they tested the waters with a few gens to see there is a market there for it.

Now the xx80ti tier is priced at the Titan tier, and people are swallowing it. Couple more generation and the xx80 will be a £800+ card, the xx80ti will be £1400+ and the xx70 will be £600+

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Apparently there is a 12NM Polaris 30 being released soon:

https://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-polaris-30-gpu-family/

 

[Satchfanuk]

Apparently there is a 12NM Polaris 30 being released soon:

https://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-polaris-30-gpu-family/

If true, I wonder if they have changed anything else, other than the shrink to 12nm?

If these are cool, quiet and cheap, then AMD could mop up the budget end of the market entirely.

 

[Marine-RX179]

If nvidia is pricing their cards like this. Do they know something we dont? As in they know AMD wont be competing high end again this time. Seen as we are looking at a polaris style launch again first from AMD.

I think it is more of a combination of:
a) they know AMD won't have new cards out anytime soon
b) AMD will probably beat them to 7nm, so they decide to capitalise the current windows of opportunity to try to part as many people with their cash before AMD's 7nm cards arrive

 

[D.P.]

If true, I wonder if they have changed anything else, other than the shrink to 12nm?

If these are cool, quiet and cheap, then AMD could mop up the budget end of the market entirely.

I doubt it will be much different but the RX580 replacement will be a nice bump up.

 

[D.P.]

I think it is more of a combination of:
a) they know AMD won't have new cards out anytime soon
b) AMD will probably beat them to 7nm, so they decide to capitalise the current windows of opportunity to try to part as many people with their cash before AMD's 7nm cards arrive

I see no reason to believe AMD will be first to the high end gaming market with 7nm GPUs. At the low end maybe, but then it looks clear that Turing wont be replacing the low end Pascla cards so these will probably also get a 7nm replacement H1 next year

 

[Marine-RX179]

I see no reason to believe AMD will be first to the high end gaming market with 7nm GPUs. At the low end maybe, but then it looks clear that Turing wont be replacing the low end Pascla cards so these will probably also get a 7nm replacement H1 next year

Nobody is expecting AMD to beat Nvidia's very top-end 2080Ti, but IF they can deliver a card with 1080ti level performance that's more efficient and at around £400 ignoring Ray-tracing, it may just so happen undercut Nvidia and tempting enough for those that don't believe Ray-tracing would be relevant anytime soon and don't want to pay the Nvidia RTX tax. If Nvidia react and drop the price of the 2080, that's still a win for the consumers.

 

[chrcoluk]

I think its not probable, but its definitely not impossible, who knows what they got up their sleeve.

Also with nvidia EGO pricing, its not hard to compete on TFLOPS per £. They could bring a card at half the performance, for half the price and its competitive.

Nobody is expecting AMD to beat Nvidia's very top-end 2080Ti, but IF they can deliver a card with 1080ti level performance that's more efficient and at around £400 ignoring Ray-tracing, it may just so happen undercut Nvidia and tempting enough for those that don't believe Ray-tracing would be relevant anytime soon and don't want to pay the Nvidia RTX tax. If Nvidia react and drop the price of the 2080, that's still a win for the consumers.

A £400 card at 1080ti performance and especially at power usage under a 1080ti would fly of the shelves, no one would care about raytracing if that was available.

I would probably have got it instead of my 1080ti if was available today, especially as freesync is also not propriety.

 

[Freddie1980]

If nvidia is pricing their cards like this. Do they know something we dont? As in they know AMD wont be competing high end again this time. Seen as we are looking at a polaris style launch again first from AMD.

Nvidia at this point probably doesn't really care that much what AMD is going to do, there pricing their cards at these level because they can and as consumers (or enablers) we just can't help ourselves. Think of it like the new iphone effect but for graphics cards. The main difference being is iphone users have plenty of good alternatives whereas as PC enthusiasts we don't have many other options when it comes to who's video cards we can buy.

 

[Marine-RX179]

I think its not probable, but its definitely not impossible, who knows what they got up their sleeve.

Also with nvidia EGO pricing, its not hard to compete on TFLOPS per £. They could bring a card at half the performance, for half the price and its competitive.

Similar to how Intel way overpriced their CPUs, and then got embrassed by the TR.

 

[Shocky-FM]

I'd like to think so, the prices are a bit much, but they do last quite well.

Just looked back at an old receipt for a GTX980 from 4 years ago (£352), although I did end up buying two of them over two years so £600 the GTX1080 wasn't that bad in comparision.

I wonder how well the RTX cards will compare in two years.

 

[D.P.]

Nobody is expecting AMD to beat Nvidia's very top-end 2080Ti, but IF they can deliver a card with 1080ti level performance that's more efficient and at around £400 ignoring Ray-tracing, it may just so happen undercut Nvidia and tempting enough for those that don't believe Ray-tracing would be relevant anytime soon and don't want to pay the Nvidia RTX tax. If Nvidia react and drop the price of the 2080, that's still a win for the consumers.

If AMD don;t have an answer to RTX then it will probably be their downfall, much like 3DFX coudln't respond to Nvidia's hardware TnL in the original Gerforce. Whther AMD have time in the short term is unknown but at least AMD will have to be gearing uop for a new race to have RTX capable gaming cards.


But anyway, from what we have heard about Navi it wont be competing with the 1080ti, but more like the 1080 and below, which is exactly the market segment Nvidia will be replacing with 7nm GPUs at the same time.

 

[D.P.]

I think its not probable, but its definitely not impossible, who knows what they got up their sleeve.

Also with nvidia EGO pricing, its not hard to compete on TFLOPS per £. They could bring a card at half the performance, for half the price and its competitive.



A £400 card at 1080ti performance and especially at power usage under a 1080ti would fly of the shelves, no one would care about raytracing if that was available.

I would probably have got it instead of my 1080ti if was available today, especially as freesync is also not propriety.

The problem in relying on performance per watt is it relies on nvidia not following suit. And beyond that it depends very much on margins. If AMD have to use HBM2 again to get power under control then they will be forced to suffer lower margins and have prices in-line with Nvidia.

 

[chrcoluk]

Thats probably their problem.

If they brought out a card with performance aorund 1080 to 1080ti range at say 400-500 gbp off the shelf price, they need to make it workable iwth most PSUs in people's PCs if it needs say a 700 watt PSU to work, the market is too restricted.

However it would still sell, I think in the past people have been willing to buy a new PSU for a GPU so they would be again.

The key is the price, vega was overpriced for what it was.

Its a tough one, when you consider a processor not much bigger than a £2 coin can be worth say £300, and a GPU is the size of 2 VHS tape's then consider the % difference in price, the pricing is more understandable for gpu's and suddenly cpu's seem way overpriced. The issue is the sudden jump in the past 2 years, especially on RTX launch prices.

 

[Begbie]

Thats probably their problem.

If they brought out a card with performance aorund 1080 to 1080ti range at say 400-500 gbp off the shelf price, they need to make it workable iwth most PSUs in people's PCs if it needs say a 700 watt PSU to work, the market is too restricted.

However it would still sell, I think in the past people have been willing to buy a new PSU for a GPU so they would be again.

The key is the price, vega was overpriced for what it was.

Its a tough one, when you consider a processor not much bigger than a £2 coin can be worth say £300, and a GPU is the size of 2 VHS tape's then consider the % difference in price, the pricing is more understandable for gpu's and suddenly cpu's seem way overpriced. The issue is the sudden jump in the past 2 years, especially on RTX launch prices.

The problem is if it needs a 700W PSU, I'd be cheaper buying the Nvidia for 1. Overall electricity savings and 2. The initial outlay.

No doubt they'd sell, but the more expensive Nvidia would make more sense.