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Poll: Do you think AMD will be able to compete with Nvidia again during the next few years?

Do you think AMD will be able to compete with Nvidia again during the next few years?

  • Yes, Vega 7nm will be competitive

    Votes: 21 9.9%

  • Yes, but we will have to wait until Navi

    Votes: 55 25.8%

  • Yes, but it's going to be at least 3 "generations" of GPU

    Votes: 47 22.1%

  • No, NVIDIA have too much of a lead to overcome

    Votes: 74 34.7%

  • No, Intel's GPUs will be a significant threat when released

    Votes: 16 7.5%
  • Total voters
    213
  • Poll closed .
D.P. said:
If AMD don;t have an answer to RTX then it will probably be their downfall, much like 3DFX coudln't respond to Nvidia's hardware TnL in the original Gerforce. Whther AMD have time in the short term is unknown but at least AMD will have to be gearing uop for a new race to have RTX capable gaming cards.


But anyway, from what we have heard about Navi it wont be competing with the 1080ti, but more like the 1080 and below, which is exactly the market segment Nvidia will be replacing with 7nm GPUs at the same time.
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AMD don't really need answering to RTX 2000 series in the specific features given current timing the features ain't going to take-off at the speed of light. As long as they are prepare to answer to the RTX 3000 series, that would be enough. Like Nvidia didn't answer to AMD's Async Compute on Maxwell and only answered to it after they brought out Pascal it didn't hurt them one bit in the real-world practical applications in the gaming environment.

It's not as if the RTX 2080ti is going to deliver 60fps at 1440p with Ray-tracing on, as all the leaks so far seem to points to that it cannot even do a solid 60fps at 1080p with Ray-tracing switch on. If a game can deliver that with Ray-tracing enabled, the chance are the Ray-tracing quality is either really dumb-down to close to non-existence, and the particular game is nothing more than just ticking the checkbox for Ray-tracing.

As it's stand (if all the current available demonstration was accurate) enabling Ray-tracing people have to trade-off huge amount frame rate or dial-back their resolution to lower resolution for the sake of using Ray-tracing, in that context it hurt more than the small fortunate being spent on the card.
 
Begbie said:
The problem is if it needs a 700W PSU, I'd be cheaper buying the Nvidia for 1. Overall electricity savings and 2. The initial outlay.

No doubt they'd sell, but the more expensive Nvidia would make more sense.
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Well if 1080ti level of performance is "enough" and its £400-500 then a psu on top still saves you hundreds of pounds over a nvidia RTX card, they would still sell but yeah some would hold off if they had to buy a PSU.
 
CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Apparently there is a 12NM Polaris 30 being released soon:

https://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-polaris-30-gpu-family/
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Satchfanuk said:
If true, I wonder if they have changed anything else, other than the shrink to 12nm?

If these are cool, quiet and cheap, then AMD could mop up the budget end of the market entirely.
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Could be very interesting depending on what it actually entails and what the pricing ends up as.

I imagine it will just be an optical die shrink with reduced power consumption/thermals which in turn likely means slightly higher clocks.

Have we ever seen a die shrink/enhancement that has added Compute Units / Shaders to an architecture?
 
CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Apparently there is a 12NM Polaris 30 being released soon:

https://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-polaris-30-gpu-family/
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Let's hope so - I will probably need to upgrade my R9 380, but it can be the next 7nm cards, which can be early 2019, too.

Marine-RX179 said:
AMD don't really need answering to RTX 2000 series in the specific features given current timing the features ain't going to take-off at the speed of light. As long as they are prepare to answer to the RTX 3000 series, that would be enough. Like Nvidia didn't answer to AMD's Async Compute on Maxwell and only answered to it after they brought out Pascal it didn't hurt them one bit in the real-world practical applications in the gaming environment.

It's not as if the RTX 2080ti is going to deliver 60fps at 1440p with Ray-tracing on, as all the leaks so far seem to points to that it cannot even do a solid 60fps at 1080p with Ray-tracing switch on. If a game can deliver that with Ray-tracing enabled, the chance are the Ray-tracing quality is either really dumb-down to close to non-existence, and the particular game is nothing more than just ticking the checkbox for Ray-tracing.

As it's stand (if all the current available demonstration was accurate) enabling Ray-tracing people have to trade-off huge amount frame rate or dial-back their resolution to lower resolution for the sake of using Ray-tracing, in that context it hurt more than the small fortunate being spent on the card.
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Of course, consoles are AMD hardware, which means all console titles, which means automatically all console ports :D

AND RTX covers niche segments with RTX 2070 the cheapest option and still costing quite a lot.
 
Armageus said:
Fairly sure it never was... 2019 was what the roadmap said. If we are lucky we *might* see a 7nm Vega refresh before then.
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Pretty sure the only card possible for now of 7nm is the work one. I doubt we will be seeing desktop variants anytime soon and probably later due to the fact of 12nm now being used for Vega refresh.

Price dependent though, it could be a decent option for those looking for an upgrade.
 
FoxEye said:
It'll be a few % better at best. A pointless card.
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Better than nothing especially if it replaces the current cards at the current price points. If the RTX2070 costs nearly £600,then unless it gets a price cut,the GTX2060 series will probaby replace the GTX1070 and GTX1070TI at similar pricing.

If the RTX2080 is a tad faster than a GTX1080TI,that means the RTX2070 will be a tad faster than a GTX1080 at nearly £600. So if that follows down the range with the GTX2060 that means its probably GTX1070/GTX1070TI level for £400, unless Nvidia surprises us and gives us a very fast non-RTX card,but that would reduce RTX series sales.

Maybe Nvidia will rebrand it a GTX2060TI at £400. So you have a GTX2060 non-TI at say nearly £300. Its probably only going to be a bit faster than a GTX1060 at that price.

Now OFC,Nvidia might drop RTX card pricing in due course,but then again they might be testing the water to see how much they can charge.
 
FoxEye said:
It'll be a few % better at best. A pointless card.
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I don't think it would be a straight RX580 rebadge at 12nm. It should definitely be a more efficient card, and I am suspecting it would be may be close to at around 1070 performance level.

Given majority of the people will only spend as much around the £200~£300 max on graphic card, so if the new card replace the price at the RX580 price bracket, it could be a good consideration for gamers as Nvidia is still refusing to slash the price on the 1070/1080 after the launch of 2000 series card.

I mean assuming if both the RX680 (assuming that's what's it will call for now) and 1070 trade blows with one another, between a brand new 7nm RX680 (with Freesync on monitor without price premium comparing to Gsync) and a 2nd hand 12nm 1070 with no warranty at £250~£260, which one would you go for (assuming you are not one of those "I would only buy Nvidia" person)?

At least if I was AMD this would be the price segment I'd be going after, considering the huge numbers of threads we have seen of "RX580 or 1060" or "need a graphic card £300 max" etc.

I think in a way it would be smart move by AMD giving the timing, as Nvidia has shown they want to keep the pricing of the 1060~1080 cards high, despite there should be no way that these card should still be at the price they are still at.
 
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None of the options for me.

"I have no idea, but it would be great if they did"

Would be mine. I do expect them to join in the ray tracing scene though, but whether that's with the next generation of GPUs or later will probably depend on whether they deem it ready for prime time. I expect consoles with ray tracing within 5 years, and it could well be their chips again.
 
Polaris 30 with GDDR6 to get AMD's toes wet implementing the new memory ready for Navi 10 around September: gaming cards get GDDR6, pro and datacenter cards get HBM2 (and then Navi 20 gets HBM3).

Assuming GDDR6 prices aren't stupidly high, that could mean we'll get some chunky gaming cards for a reasonable price come Christmas next year; if Nvidia are content to hover around 1080 Ti performance with their new kit, then I don't see any need for AMD to try and push past right now (and Navi was never tipped to be an Nvidia killer architecture in the gaming space anyway).
 
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Cynical me...is Polaris 30 purely a concession to their agreement with GloFo? AMD is clearly all-in on 7nm from this point on, but even with GloFo pulling out of 7nm AMD still have a period to run before their wafer agreement ends. Send a token and reasonably cheap 12nm project at GloFo just to satisfy their legal terms?
 
LePhuronn said:
Cynical me...is Polaris 30 purely a concession to their agreement with GloFo? AMD is clearly all-in on 7nm from this point on, but even with GloFo pulling out of 7nm AMD still have a period to run before their wafer agreement ends. Send a token and reasonably cheap 12nm project at GloFo just to satisfy their legal terms?
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Was thinking this myself although the last i read AMD were going to sit down with GloFo and renegotiate there wafer agreement. I don't know if they have already done this but using there 12nm for Polaris 30 should help keep them right with whatever agreement they have in place.
 
Using this article and the comments going with it: https://www.techpowerup.com/248397/...-taped-out-5-nm-risk-production-in-april-2019

AMD are sleeping :D

7+ nm 20% better density than 7 ~~120 Mtr/mm2
7 nm features 1.6X logic density than 10 ~~100 Mtr/mm2
10 nm 2X logic density than 12/16nm ~~60 Mtr/mm2

We are at 1.2X1.6X2 ~ 4X better logic density at this point in time, and still not getting it in real GPU products.

All we have for now is 12/14/16 nm with ~~30 Mtr/mm2.

yeah this means RTX 2080Ti 754mm2 the size of GTX 1060 with 200mm2 if tape out next year.
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