Do you trust the mainstream media?

Evangelion said:
I trust some of the mainstream media. This chart offers a good and accurate guide to media bias:

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My preferred sources of news and analysis, in no particular order:

* BBC
* ABC (Australia)
* The Hill
* The Atlantic
* The Financial Times
* Axios
* Reuters
* Bloomberg
* Politico
* Christian Science Monitor
* The Wall Street Journal
* The Economist
* The Conversation
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That charts a complete joke... Take highly rated Time magazine who recently were caught out falsely claiming the picture of the crying Honduran girl was one seperated by Trumps administration from her mother when this wasn't the case and the child's father later confirmed that the child's mother had basically abducted the daughter against his wishes to illegally enter the USA when they would not have had any grounds to seek asylum there.

Then CNN have the Time magazine's editor in chief on who refuses to admit they just plain made a mistake and defends the use of the photo to support the 'narrative' due to its 'iconic' nature even though it was used in a completely false way.


Don't trust the mainstream media always check a number of sources to try and get a god idea of what's going on.
 
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Of course not.

Gone are the days of NEWS and informing the people. The BBC pay homage to whoever happens to be in government at the time to "keep the funding" so its about as newsworthy as a knitting circle. The rest only have one thing in mind to make money/profit. They will spin any story for sensational take on it.

So pretty much i pay zero attention to anything outside of my bubble world. If a subject interests me i will go and do some more digging on the subject.

That being said the guardian actually do some good investigative journalism and the long read is very good.
 
I stay away from it. I follow tech/automotive/gaming style news sites but as far as "oh no the worlds going to hell" mainstream news I don't have a clue what's going on most of the time unless I see it here or overhear something. I don't click links to news sites. It's the same old issues decade after decade, akin to the song Hard Day on the Planet by Loudon Wainwright.. It was written what must be 30+ years ago now, little changes. We can know too much, worry about too much and I don't feel it's good for peoples mental health to be so connected to everybody else's issues all the time.

At the end of the day, news and media is just business, it's money, so it's not unreasonable to expect it to be manipulated and delivered in a way to give it the most exposure. Whether outlets use it to push their own agendas, who cares? We should all be eyes open to any topic we care about and make our own informed opinions and not just accept what we're told, that's just asking for trouble. So long as we understand that could be happening it shouldn't do any harm, but I bet we all know people who are more vulnerable or less focused in life who take what they read or hear at face value and it affects them negatively and sews their outlook on issues to the point they over react to it.
 
Caracus2k said:
That charts a complete joke... Take highly rated Time magazine who recently were caught out falsely claiming the picture of the crying Honduran girl was one seperated by Trumps administration from her mother
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Time misinterpreted what the photographer had told them. He contacted them as soon as possible to point out the error, and they issued a clarification immediately see the article here). This single incident does not make the chart a 'complete joke.'

Then CNN have theTimes editor in chief on who refuses to admit they just plain made a mistake and defends the use of the photo to support the 'narrative' due to its 'iconic' nature even though it was used in a completely false way.
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CNN is irrelevant.

Don't trust the mainstream media always check a number of sources to try and get a god idea of what's going on.
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Which is exactly what I do, as I've already said.
 
I follow my late father's mantra and believe nothing I hear and half of what I see from the media. I treat journalists as I would estate agents and "Where there's blame" solicitors, with considerable contempt and distrust.
 
SPG said:
The BBC pay homage to whoever happens to be in government at the time to "keep the funding" so its about as newsworthy as a knitting circle.
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Remind me how the BBC was 'paying homage to Labour' during 2003, when the government was attacking it on a daily basis following the release of the Hutton Report? The Beeb had absolutely destroyed Blair's claims about WMD in Iraq (isn't that the exact opposite of paying homage to Labour?) and his government retaliated with unprecedented aggression. Hutton cleared Blair's administration and heaped a mountain of abuse on the Beeb, resulting in the resignations of its chairman and director-general.
 
Evangelion said:
Time misinterpreted what the photographer had told them.
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And the editor in chief then compounded a mistake by refusing to accept they were wrong and had jumped on a photo to use on thier cover because it suited their version of the narrative and their biases. A decent publication, concerned with truthfulness, would have had an editor in chief who went on TV and said 'yes we made a mistake we used a photo which fitted our pre conceived notions without doing any fact checking we apologise for misleading the public'

Evangelion said:
This single incident does not make the chart a 'complete joke.'
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The initial mistake is one thing but the defence of it by the editor in chief is quite something else it shows that Time magazine cannot be trusted as they value a powerful (if untrue) narrative over truthfully reporting.


Evangelion said:
CNN is irrelevant.
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I was merely stating where the editor in chief of Times magazine made his most craven defence of their mistake. CNN'a bias and unreliability is already well attested to elsewhere.
 
Evangelion said:
Remind me how the BBC was 'paying homage to Labour' during 2003, when the government was attacking it on a daily basis following the release of the Hutton Report? The Beeb had absolutely destroyed Blair's claims about WMD in Iraq (isn't that the exact opposite of paying homage to Labour?) and his government retaliated with unprecedented aggression. Hutton cleared Blair's administration and heaped a mountain of abuse on the Beeb, resulting in the resignations of its chairman and director-general.
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Exactly. The BBC doesn't need to pander to any government, as if the license fee was to be withdrawn at any moment. I honestly don't know where people get that nonsense from, it's not like every story they ever printed is available online for the record. :rolleyes:
 
I certainly don't trust the more extreme papers like the guardian and express. But as a whole, I give them all far less credence than i used to.
 
Lol you only have to Google. 'Weather' to have news story on news story from the express with

Britain faced with HOTTEST summer EVER

Every single Day

I don' t many sources.
 
I think a better question would be; Why do you trust the mainstream media? Nobody used to before.

The problem with the MSM is most of it is opinion articles/segments. It's not the factual news. It's people going on there to give their opinion about stories. More often than not on the main issue of the day a TV channel would stack the deck when interviewing people to the point that many times they don't even have the opposite view point represented.

As for the paper media, that as descended in to a building up bringing down negative disaster. Nearly all the articles start off by framing the story to have a dig at someone. the amount of times I've read "shes gushing over...", or "she looks amazing today" followed by the most unflattering image of somone, is too many to count on my hands per day.

I think the media standard as dropped since the Internet became mainstream. TV news media is running out of things to say.

But if all else fails they will write or tell us about a disaster somewhere in the world. If you didn't wake up depressed, you will be now!

Also its very rare that the paper media actually link to the source of the story they are talking about, unless its another newspaper. The fact that the daily mail and the mirror newspaper, supposed to be opposite ends of the political arena both frequently quote and source each other in articles shows its a media circus.

Are we're supposed to take these clowns seriously when a real issue comes up? I'd get more sense from reading the Beano than reading most of the paper media rubbish.

If you want an example of how the media distort stories, look at The Sun reporting on the Hillsborough disaster. They tried to distort the truth. The reason it wasnt picked up on at the time is because the media always does that stuff. Just this time they got exposed.
 
humbug said:
It seems 4 in 5 of you don't. why?
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They're all biased. The Telegraph is right wing, The Guardian is left wing, the BBC are anti-Tory and pro-EU, the FT is pro-business, and so on. So you read multiple sources to get a better perspective.
 
Of the newspapers the Telegraph and Times (I guess slightly right leaning press) seems the most sober and rational to me.

I used to read the Guardian for years but that paper has become increasingly unpalatable. There is a big rise in commentary pieces which are written by people on the fringes of the left who have a clear agenda.

The rise in outrage stories, twitter as a news source and memes is the biggest worry. The main thing we are lacking in the mainstream is proper long drawn out conversations with people who know what they are talking about. Podcasts and YouTube now fill this gap and this is the future of media in my opinion. Just look how many people watch / listen to the Joe Rogan podcast.

Immigration is the biggest driving factor and the hottest topic in this country yet not one media outlet is brave enough to actually get right down to the nitty gritty and give use a full expose on the situation. There is an ever more fractured society and we need the media to start doing their job and getting us back to common sense and common consensus like we used to have.
 
MookJong said:
Immigration is the biggest driving factor and the hottest topic in this country yet not one media outlet is brave enough to actually get right down to the nitty gritty and give use a full expose on the situation.
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Full expose: Employment is at it's lowest since 1975, nobody is 'taking er jebs' and we need immigration to fill unskilled jobs that Brits have been bought up to believe are beneath them:

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/may/27/uk-farmers-strawberries-migrant-workers-crisis

In the EU we also have/had the option to get rid of any EU migrant that didn't have a job for 3 months, but never did.

Existing EU rules allow states to deport citizens from other EU countries if they have become a burden on the welfare system of the state
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NHS Tourism costs the NHS £0.3bn a year. Missed appointments cost it £1bn.

Etc etc :)
 
By Mainstream media i mean the establishment, everything you see on Terrestrial, Satellite and Cable TV, all the establishment rags, the lot..... Including the BBC.

I don't trust any of them, i think a lot of them are either Socialist or Conservative Propaganda Machines, no really, most of them are infested with Third Wave Feminists and Socialists with sprinkling of the odd extreme opposition to all of that nonsense.

The Gender wage gap is not due to misogyny, there is no male conspiracy to exclude Woman from a Male constructed world, being outside of the EU is not a disaster or the best thing that's ever happened to us, Donald Trump is not Hitler and nor are those who voted him or for Brexit because of Immigration, the Syrian opposition are not nice fluffy democrat's, they hate Assad because he is a secularist, they don't want Christians, Jews and Muslims living in harmony side by side they want to be-head us all for daring to exist....... i could go on.

I have to say i was surprised to learn that only 21% of the British public trust their media but then again i shouldn't be, i haven't trusted a word they utter for years and look at they way they behave, all of it is doom and gloom, some of it outright hate and lies, i should have trusted the Great British people are smarter than that, knowing the statistics gives me hope.
 
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