Do you trust the mainstream media?

[VincentHanna]

By Mainstream media i mean the establishment, everything you see on Terrestrial, Satellite and Cable TV, all the establishment rags, the lot..... Including the BBC.

most of them are infested with third wave feminists and socialists with sprinkling of the odd extreme opposition to all of that nonsense.

Lolz.

 

[MookJong]

Full expose: Employment is at it's lowest since 1975, nobody is 'taking er jebs' and we need immigration to fill unskilled jobs that Brits have been bought up to believe are beneath them:

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/may/27/uk-farmers-strawberries-migrant-workers-crisis

In the EU we also have/had the option to get rid of any EU migrant that didn't have a job for 3 months, but never did.



NHS Tourism costs the NHS £0.3bn a year. Missed appointments cost it £1bn.

Etc etc

This is the mainstream media line, but this isn't the full story of immigration and you know it. There is a lot more to a society than it's economics.

Birmingham will become a white British minority city by 2021 and currently has a population of around 50,000 residents that do not speak English. With people from over 200 countries living there this is a massive change for this city.

Now this might not be a problem, but an unwillingness to discuss these changes is definitely fueling resentment when you look online. People are seriously looking for answers because this was never mentioned in any political manifesto and the cultural changes (not racial) get very little discussion, only the financial ones.

 

[humbug]

There is nothing wrong with Immigration, we have had immigration in this country for a century, none of it has ever been a problem.

However. Over the last decade we have had the wrong sort of immigration, the sort of immigration that is culturally vastly different to our society and does not want to integrate, some of them are not nice people, that immigration is also way too high so its a real strain on our services and when 10% of 1m+ people mean us harm we know about it. its that sort of immigration Socialists and Globalists tell us is a good idea.

The other side of that coin is uncontrolled Immigration, that's the sort of immigration that drives natives out of work and forces wage stagnation on those who already barely keep their heads above the water line, its that sort of immigration those who pay our wages tell us is good for the country.

 

[Brookert]

I cannot stand the direction certain media outlets are going in. The main two being the BBC and Guardian. There's nothing like reading another article about how the Britain sucks or how much of a racist/misogynist/homophobic/(insert ist/ic here) person I must be.

The internet and social media have given a voice to people with such vitriolic ideas that traditionally would have just disappeared into nothing.

 

[VincentHanna]

I cannot stand the direction certain media outlets are going in. The main two being the BBC and Guardian. There's nothing like reading another article about how the Britain sucks or how much of a racist/misogynist/homophobic/(insert ist/ic here) person I must be.

The internet and social media have given a voice to people with such vitriolic ideas that traditionally would have just disappeared into nothing.

I know, right: https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/posts/31950101/

 

[MookJong]

There is nothing wrong with Immigration, we have had immigration in this country for a century, none of it has ever been a problem.

However. Over the last decade we have had the wrong sort of immigration, the sort of immigration that is culturally vastly different to our society and does not want to integrate, some of them are not nice people, that immigration is also way too high so its a real strain on our services and when 10% of 1m+ people mean us harm we know about it. its that sort of immigration Socialists and Globalists tell us is a good idea.

The other side of that coin is uncontrolled Immigration, that's the sort of immigration that drives natives out of work and forces wage stagnation on those who already barely keep their heads above the water line, its that sort of immigration those who pay our wages tell us is good for the country.

This is it in a nutshell. I don't understand why it is so difficult to discuss. A massive step change is bound to have positives and negatives, but you can't just pretend it's not happening or that there are no negative issues we need to tackle.

 

[mmj_uk]

Of course not.

The mainstream media today is as biased and polarised as society in general, anyone to the right of the far left radical agenda of which most of the mainstream media supports are being painted as dangerous people (ie. racist far right Nazi's) and the media is one of the biggest culprits for spreading that mentality.

I think with anything in life finding a balance between the two extremes is the most healthy place to be but the left have cultivated a "you're either with us or against us" mentality and are even sanctioning violence (Antifa activists etc) against those who don't conform to their herd mentality.

 

[humbug]

Of course not.

The mainstream media today is as biased and polarised as society in general, anyone to the right of the far left radical agenda of which most of the mainstream media supports are being painted as dangerous people (ie. racist far right Nazi's) and the media is one of the biggest culprits for spreading that mentality.

I think with anything in life finding a balance between the two extremes is the most healthy place to be but the left have cultivated a "you're either with us or against us" mentality and are even sanctioning violence (Antifa activists etc) against those who don't conform to their herd mentality.

Chicken or the egg, one could just as easily argue society is polarised because the mainstream media is polarised.

For me, i know what i believe in, we are an international world these days, we play games with people from all over the world and the vast majority of us enjoy the company of such diversity, the suggestion that any of us are racist is an insult to us, and yet an awful lot of us voted out of the union primarily because of its immigration policy.
For me Immigration is a huge issue, i don't care so much about the single market beyond my feeling its a protection racket that stops us trading with the rest of the world and it with us, i don't care that much about the EU dictating our laws to us, i think we know better than they do what is good for us but their flat-out refusal to allow us to control of our own boarders is what ultimately made me vote Brexit because if you have no boarders you have no country and that ultimately is the point, the EU wants to dissolve the nation state into a United States of Europe governed by Brussels, i believe, very strongly we do better to ourselves governing ourselves.

 

[Mulder]

No. I barely even watch the BBC anymore.

 

[V F]

However a good journalist working for a good news provider will attempt to put their personal views to one side.

I rarely see that these years. They're all opinionated mouthpieces. Those who has the biggest mouth prevails.

In the UK all broadcasters of news are meant to be impartial, and most do their best to be so.
Newspapers have no such requirement unfortunately:/ but most will try and be at least reasonably factual when it's not political.

This is unlike "alternative" news sources (which some people seem to think is much more reliable than MSM), where there is usually no checks or requirements to be impartial.

Meant to be but... they're faaaaaaaaaaaar from doing their best. After all, they're told to do what the owners tell them, or they'll get someone else. They don't even do their best. "My opinion is more important than yours." Just like social media. As most of the broadcasting media live in social media. Speakers corner is the exact same discussions. People don't debate anymore.

 

[Nasher]

A lot of it is BS, I know people who have sent them BS stories for lols and they printed it. One of those being the Guardian :/

The other issue is (having personally seen what happens internally and what the press say), they fill in the gaps themselves and act like it's fact. But often being way off the mark.

I wouldn't even call much of it "news" any more, more like opinion or rumours.

 

[Yadda]

I've yet to hear an alternative media outlet that I'd trust more than the BBC put down the BBC.

Those outlets screeching "fake news" the loudest at the mainstream media seem to be bat**** crazies.

 

[humbug]

A lot of it is BS, I know people who have sent them BS stories for lols and they printed it. One of those being the Guardian :/

The other issue is (having personally seen what happens internally and what the press say), they fill in the gaps themselves and act like it's fact. But often being way off the mark.

I wouldn't even call much of it "news" any more, more like opinion or rumours.

A Soap Opera, is what i would call it, if its not an attempt to drive home an agenda its because you have lost the attention of the well adjusted viewer and are left with a neurotic audience you cater for that audience.

 

[Moley]

My biggest problem with contemporary mainstream media - especially newspapers - is far too many 'opinion pieces' printed and touted as expert fact over actual news.

 

[Caracus2k]

We need immigration to fill unskilled jobs that Brits have been bought up to believe are beneath them:

And apparently there was once a human that needed to swallow a spider to eat a fly. Mass unskilled immigration is neither sustainable or desirable for the majority of the working population of a country. Other countries and parts of the UK function without mass immigration. Its a bare faced lie that 'we' need unskilled immigration. This sort out of immigration suits some dubious business models and guilt ridden, western society hating individuals who think they can absolve their misplaced sense of collective, inter generational guilt by promoting mass immigration whoose affects are mostly felt by the more common classics who they despise.

NHS Tourism costs the NHS £0.3bn a year. Missed appointments cost it £1bn.

Etc etc

False news and you should know better then repeating such deliberately misleading figures . ..

Spoiler: See here for why

Much like the figures for benefit fraud I don't find these figures likely to be all that accurate....

Even from your own source

It’s difficult to put a figure on exactly how much “health tourism” costs the NHS. 0.3% reflects the upper end of the government’s rough estimates of “deliberate health tourism” and visitors “taking advantage” of the system



So it's a figure the goverment estimates for 'deliberate health tourism/ taking advantage of the system ' I. E thoose that attend the UK for the purpose of solely/primarily obtaining health care....

1) I don't trust goverment 'estimates' when it comes to immigration because they are all too often directed by ideology and wildly wrong...
(like this one where they were wrong with an actual figure twenty times the 'rough estimate')

And

2) its not just explicit 'health tourism' but all the other use of the NHS by persons not entitled that's the issue.

Lolz.

The general media is infested by feminism and socialism (more accurately marxism)

Just look at the stupid reporting of the 'gender pay gap' for one example by mainstream sources.

 

[humbug]

And apparently there was once a human that needed to swallow a spider to eat a fly. Mass unskilled immigration is neither sustainable or desirable for the majority of the working population of a country. Other countries and parts of the UK function without mass immigration. Its a bare faced lie that 'we' need unskilled immigration. This sort out of immigration suits some dubious business models and guilt ridden, western society hating individuals who think they can absolve their misplaced sense of collective, inter generational guilt by promoting mass immigration whoose affects are mostly felt by the more common classics who they despise.



False news and you should know better then repeating such deliberately misleading figures . ..





The general media is infested by feminism and socialism (more accurately marxism)

Just look at the stupid reporting of the 'gender pay gap' for one example by mainstream sources.

Interesting that you should use the word Marxism to describe it, certainly there is a correlation in what Third Wave Feminists want with their 'Affirmative Action' or rather engineered 'Equality of Outcome' which is a very different thing to 'Equality of Opportunity' and absolutely Marxist in its nature.

As for the other word i use, Socialists, same thing as you no doubt know

 

[VincentHanna]

And apparently there was once a human that needed to swallow a spider to eat a fly. Mass unskilled immigration is neither sustainable or desirable for the majority of the working population of a country. Other countries and parts of the UK function without mass immigration. Its a bare faced lie that 'we' need unskilled immigration. This sort out of immigration suits some dubious business models and guilt ridden, western society hating individuals who think they can absolve their misplaced sense of collective, inter generational guilt by promoting mass immigration whoose affects are mostly felt by the more common classics who they despise.



False news and you should know better then repeating such deliberately misleading figures . ..





The general media is infested by feminism and socialism (more accurately marxism)

Just look at the stupid reporting of the 'gender pay gap' for one example by mainstream sources.

It it misleading if it's "The upper end" of their estimate?

I like to play Bingo with your posts, I got a full line with MSM, feminism, socialism and Marxism.

 

[.Lethal]

Why are there more Daily Mail links to news stories in GD when it seems everyone here avoids them

 

[Nasher]

And apparently there was once a human that needed to swallow a spider to eat a fly. Mass unskilled immigration is neither sustainable or desirable for the majority of the working population of a country. Other countries and parts of the UK function without mass immigration. Its a bare faced lie that 'we' need unskilled immigration. This sort out of immigration suits some dubious business models and guilt ridden, western society hating individuals who think they can absolve their misplaced sense of collective, inter generational guilt by promoting mass immigration whoose affects are mostly felt by the more common classics who they despise.



False news and you should know better then repeating such deliberately misleading figures . ..





The general media is infested by feminism and socialism (more accurately marxism)

Just look at the stupid reporting of the 'gender pay gap' for one example by mainstream sources.

Companies like foreign workers because they can pay them crap wages and treat them like ****. Technically they have the same rights as everyone else, but not in practice. If they complain they will just end their contract and they will have to fly home. If you treated British workers like some companies treat migrant workers, they would be ground to a halt with strike action.

 

[VincentHanna]

But we have a national minimum wage?

Or are you now saying skilled migrant workers are willing to ask for less money to do the same job as a British citizen?