Doctor Who

Feek · 28 Jun 2021 at 11:36

steve5424 said:
showrumner

The clue is in the job title, it's entirely his responsibility.

steve5424 · 28 Jun 2021 at 11:40

Feek said:
The clue is in the job title, it's entirely his responsibility.

What I meant is he didn't write all the scripts or direct every episode. So some blame lies with those he hired.

Feek · 28 Jun 2021 at 11:51

steve5424 said:
What I meant is he didn't write all the scripts or direct every episode. So some blame lies with those he hired.

No it doesn't, he's in charge. The buck stops with him, he'd have approved every single storyline and script.

ZombieFan · 28 Jun 2021 at 22:29

fez said:
You would think that wouldn't you but thats not the case any more. Play someone who has a different heritage to yourself and you are white, boy you are in trouble. Play a gay character as a straight man? I wouldn't. Dare to play a disabled person or someone with any sort of difficulty and you might as well be a nazi.

You would think that a job that is quite literally pretending to be someone you are not wouldn't have an issue with a straight man playing a gay man or an english actor playing a spanish character but that is where you are wrong. An actor should be exactly the same as their character in as many ways as possible so as not to offend.

Yea. Remember the backlash that scottish actor got for playing an english Doctor Who? Worst doctor ever. /s

Reality|Bites · 28 Jun 2021 at 22:37

whom do you speak of?

fez · 28 Jun 2021 at 22:52

ZombieFan said:
Yea. Remember the backlash that scottish actor got for playing an english Doctor Who? Worst doctor ever. /s

Not sure what you are getting at here… there have been a lot of people getting **** for playing characters someone decides they shouldn’t over the past few years and you must be under a rock not to have seen it.

Malevolence · 28 Jun 2021 at 23:10

ZombieFan said:
Yea. Remember the backlash that scottish actor got for playing an english Doctor Who? Worst doctor ever. /s

Pro tip: The Doctor isn't English.

steve5424 · 28 Jun 2021 at 23:33

Malevolence said:
Pro tip: The Doctor isn't English.

Every planet has a North

Reality|Bites · 28 Jun 2021 at 23:54

pro tip, steve will justify anything doctor who

steve5424 · 29 Jun 2021 at 00:58

Not really, there are many aspects of Who that I don't enjoy. I just don't feel the need to publicly moan about them all the time.

arknor · 29 Jun 2021 at 01:01

Steampunk said:
It's hard to believe that Doctor Who was once one of the BBC's biggest, most profitable worldwide IPs, and they've let it be destroyed like this in the space of a few years.

yea it used to be a good programme with a few scary eps, now it's like full on cbbc stuff......

didn't they even have 1-2 spinoffs on cbbc....

utter crap to brainwash kids now about how bad all white people were.
proper americanised trash

Malevolence · 29 Jun 2021 at 05:08

It's not just the overt wokeness and **** writing either, it's the production and quality of effects too. Just compare it to other sci-fi shows on lesser networks with much less funding available like, for example, The Expanse before it got taken by Amazon or the BSG remake. The BBC's production values are ******* laughable in comparison. You just have to look at their pathetic attempt at The War of the Worlds a few years back for further proof.

steve5424 · 29 Jun 2021 at 06:58

The BBC doesn't have as much money to spend on sci-fi budgets as most American networks. Never has.

Malevolence · 29 Jun 2021 at 07:12

steve5424 said:
The BBC doesn't have as much money to spend on sci-fi budgets as most American networks. Never has.

You think the SyFy channel had a bigger budget than the BBC when it funded S1-S3 of The Expanse? Hell, if The Expanse is too large a show, then take Dark Matter or Killjoys as prime examples of how to do sci-fi productions on a limited budget, and even they make the BBC's attempts at sci-fi laughable.

steve5424 · 29 Jun 2021 at 07:14

Probably

Steampunk · 29 Jun 2021 at 08:39

steve5424 said:
The BBC doesn't have as much money to spend on sci-fi budgets as most American networks. Never has.

Which is why the quality of the stories, characters and dialogue was so important, and made it so popular. With that gone there isn't even the shiny, shiny pictures to look at which is all that the likes of Star Trek Discovery have going for them. Doctor Who used to sell not only the show, but it's merchandise all over the world, even to the US and China. You could go to a US comic-con and see loads of merch and people supporting the show. At the height of the Tennant and Smith eras it made the BBC hundreds of millions a year, and it wasn't because of the visual effects. It was because of the quality of the scripts and skill of the actors. Now it's just trash since Chibnal came in, and worse when it went woke with a totally unsuited Jodie Whitaker.

james.miller · 29 Jun 2021 at 09:36

steve5424 said:
The BBC doesn't have as much money to spend on sci-fi budgets as most American networks. Never has.

I remember when the BBC bought the rights to The Voice. For £11m a season. Yet here we are suggesting the Beeb doesnt have the budget to do, what used to be their biggest export, justice.

doodah · 29 Jun 2021 at 10:28

£11m a season? That's an episode cost with a decent amount of big production American TV shows.

ZombieFan · 29 Jun 2021 at 10:31

fez said:
Not sure what you are getting at here… there have been a lot of people getting **** for playing characters someone decides they shouldn’t over the past few years and you must be under a rock not to have seen it.

I'm highlighting that it isn't always as dramatic as you are making out. Actors play characters of a different background all the time. I'm not hearing outrage whenever a non-scot is given the role of Macbeth, for example.

Maybe John Barrowman is a more suitable Doctor Who reference? He's a gay actor who played a bisexual/pansexual character. Didn't he also play a straight character in Desperate Housewives?

Sure, there are situations where it has flared up but that's what happens when an historically underrepresented group of people decide it's time that they were heard.

[edit] Just been prompted of a more recent example by the radio - No fuss when Benedict Cumberbatch played Alan Turing as far as I remember? Also, Eddie Redmayne was up for an award for his acting in 'The Danish Girl'.

steve5424 · 29 Jun 2021 at 10:41

The actor who played will in Will and Grace is a straight man and played a goy role for many years.

There was an actor in Glee who played a wheelchair bound character but he was perfectly able bodied. No mention of a fuss about eith of them. It's only been a last couple of years things like that have become an issue for **********.