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i was looking for a dalek figure, but found this instead:
hahaha! he does not look to happy
hahaha! he does not look to happy
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I really am sick and tired of the way they keep (a) bringing back previous companions every 4th episode, and (b) twisting the plot into knots in order to "undo" things that were done in previous episodes because they are now required for the current episode. 
Nobody ever dies permanently, and any negative outcomes all seem to come with a built-in "reset" button. Whenever things get too hard, the scriptwriters simply bend/break the old "rules" of the Dr's universe, or invent completely new ones.
Huge amounts of "history" have been cobbled together for no other purpose than dramatic effect (such as the destruction of the Time Lords and their planet), but since they have never been televised, the viewers just have to accept that they've happened, which breaks the sense of continuity. It's like tuning in to your favourite show and discovering that you've missed half a series.
This all reeks of a series which has completely lost its way. There's no imagination involved; just a constant recycling of plots and painfully contrived scenarios.
And is it just me, or has the acting become even worse?
Nobody ever dies permanently, and any negative outcomes all seem to come with a built-in "reset" button. Whenever things get too hard, the scriptwriters simply bend/break the old "rules" of the Dr's universe, or invent completely new ones.
Huge amounts of "history" have been cobbled together for no other purpose than dramatic effect (such as the destruction of the Time Lords and their planet), but since they have never been televised, the viewers just have to accept that they've happened, which breaks the sense of continuity. It's like tuning in to your favourite show and discovering that you've missed half a series.
This all reeks of a series which has completely lost its way. There's no imagination involved; just a constant recycling of plots and painfully contrived scenarios.
And is it just me, or has the acting become even worse?
Which is why you'll find me re-watching "Spearhead from Space" instead of "Rose".
The former is simply miles ahead, despite not having the CGI wizardry of 2005.
/sign
Old skool Who for the win.
I am really disappointed by Russell T Davies. He used to produce nothing but quality material.
Spearhead and Rose are essentially the same tale, but the former is far better executed and has much more time to develop characters and atmosphere. Its also 100% location filmed (the London scenes benefit from this considerably), uses real physical effects instead of CGI, and the villains are actually creepy (and can run).
I'm enjoying it. The continuity element is never going to be 100% inline with the 'laws'. How can it be? It's time travelling where one thing changed in the past can affect the future.
I find the acting of the Doctor brilliant (however I would like muppet tate to get blown up and never come back). The cross over with another series, Torchwood, is also very interesting and makes for some crazy plotlines.
At the end of the day it's a Sci-fi show, on at primetime, aimed for the entire family. Forget the laws and just enjoy the show (which was ace).
M.
I find the acting of the Doctor brilliant (however I would like muppet tate to get blown up and never come back). The cross over with another series, Torchwood, is also very interesting and makes for some crazy plotlines.
At the end of the day it's a Sci-fi show, on at primetime, aimed for the entire family. Forget the laws and just enjoy the show (which was ace).
M.
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i don't know why tate gets so much hate? i don't think for one second that that's the only way she can act and i feel her role has been very well scripted, donna is supposed to be this common, almost chav in some respects and she lives up to the role very well, and for all the loudness and the brash nature she has some genuinely good moments on screenand some very touching moments with the doctor.
out of all the forums i frequent this has to be THE biggest donna/tate hater and i can't quite work out why. i think the fact she challenges the doctors 'morals' and views him as little more than an alien (which he is after all), this in itself is very refreshing, a nice change from the soppy gooey eyes of martha, who, every time she looks at the doctor goes week at the knees and the fish face of rose (who i thought only performed well with CE).
it seems to me that most of the negativity comes from people who think she's rubbish because of the Catherine tate show?
out of all the forums i frequent this has to be THE biggest donna/tate hater and i can't quite work out why. i think the fact she challenges the doctors 'morals' and views him as little more than an alien (which he is after all), this in itself is very refreshing, a nice change from the soppy gooey eyes of martha, who, every time she looks at the doctor goes week at the knees and the fish face of rose (who i thought only performed well with CE).
it seems to me that most of the negativity comes from people who think she's rubbish because of the Catherine tate show?
And is it just me, or has the acting become even worse?
I dont know if its the acting or the script writing, but theres definately been a sharp decline. The whole Captain Jack kissing Janto and whatshernames head and tearily declaring that there was nothing he could do was awfully written/acted. The acting/writing of the various companions seems to have dropped a cosmic mile in quality (dare I say it , but the best acting I have seen from a "companion" in this series was by Professor Riversong...should have just picked her as the companion for the whole series if you ask me)
It's the very chaviness that gets the hate for Catherine Tate. Her acting is always the same. It's 'dont you touch me sunshine' malarky which is older than time.
It may have once been funny the first time you here it on the Catherine Tate show but then it's boring. It's the whole 'am I bothered' lark all over again and it's very boring.
Her acting, at best, is woeful. She's so dim, she doesn't challenge the doctor at all it's more throwing a tantrum than logically challenging him. She's also very moody and not at all upbeat. Hell this is an adventure of a lifetime so why be so gloomy.
If you like her then fine but I'd much prefer an intelligent partner. So what if they like him they are supposed to be a little bit in awe of him - this is the guy who can travel through time, has a nigh on endless lifetime, gets involved in all kinds of trouble, etc. who wouldn't be in awe of that person who had survived.
Theres several petitions out there to get rid of Tate some with over half a million signatures. They can't all be wrong.
M.
It may have once been funny the first time you here it on the Catherine Tate show but then it's boring. It's the whole 'am I bothered' lark all over again and it's very boring.
Her acting, at best, is woeful. She's so dim, she doesn't challenge the doctor at all it's more throwing a tantrum than logically challenging him. She's also very moody and not at all upbeat. Hell this is an adventure of a lifetime so why be so gloomy.
If you like her then fine but I'd much prefer an intelligent partner. So what if they like him they are supposed to be a little bit in awe of him - this is the guy who can travel through time, has a nigh on endless lifetime, gets involved in all kinds of trouble, etc. who wouldn't be in awe of that person who had survived.
Theres several petitions out there to get rid of Tate some with over half a million signatures. They can't all be wrong.
M.
I agree entirely, as I've said many times over, Tate is a thousand times better than Martha the cardboard cutout ever was. I think you could go over every episode Martha was in, surgically remove her and not notice the difference, she was like an extra.
I'm really enjoying Tate as the assistant.
I will also point out I never watched the catherine tate show, perhaps some people are approaching with bias?
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i think that's how they wanted the act to be done, rose felt very similar during the first series
i didn't like the catherine tate show at all, i thought it was dreadful, but i think she's done very well as the doctors assistant
she challenges him on an emotional level, forcing him to break down the barriers that enshrine him as a time lord. traveling with the doctor is the 'adventure of a lifetime' but it's terribly depressing, just look back over some of the episodes and see what they experience, how little they can do, and that even when they do right something there has usually be a terrible loss of life, it's not all peaches and cream traveling with the doctor. i think this has been a much darker series, highlighting human barbarity (planet of the ood) our helplessness and dare i say it, longing, to bring about our own demise as portrayed in the fires of Pompeii and the futility of our struggle (cybermen, daleks, sontarans), and yet...our ingenuity, our instinct for survival, or hope, the hope that carried us to the end of the universe. it's taken on a much darker guise, despite the comedy added by tate, and i like it!
i don't think it's a case that she isn't in awe of him, but more that she is always aware of the fact that he is an alien. and she's no less intelligent than rose who was just as dim. many of the doctors companions haven't been very intelligent, Ace and leela are good examples. martha is the only supposedly intelligent companion the doctor has had in the latest incarnation of the series and she is viewed with as much contempt as donna.
that doesn't make them in the majority though, does it?
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i bet it is the majority. watching her in Dr.Who is like watching somebody trying to act. badly. she isnt convincing at all, whether this style was intentionally written or it is tate herself. shes just rubbish.
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there are as many negatives on this forum as there are positives on digital spy. horses for courses i suppose, but she's not been a bad actor for the part she is meant to play.
Tate's great.
I wouldn't say the acting is really the problem, it's more the script in the last episode. It's like someone with ADHD wrote it - it's moving too quickly just to get the all the characters in, there's no emotional build up (did anyone feel anything when Harriet Jones scarified her life?), it's like the end of last season... Lot's of special effects, but empty.
RTD is a good writer mostly, but it's time to move on - choosing Steve Moffat for executive producer is a fantastic move.
I wouldn't say the acting is really the problem, it's more the script in the last episode. It's like someone with ADHD wrote it - it's moving too quickly just to get the all the characters in, there's no emotional build up (did anyone feel anything when Harriet Jones scarified her life?), it's like the end of last season... Lot's of special effects, but empty.
RTD is a good writer mostly, but it's time to move on - choosing Steve Moffat for executive producer is a fantastic move.
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i didn't like HJ, but i recognised the sacrifice, and yes, RTD was good, he revived the show, but there have been some far better scripts from the other writers (especially SM, forest of the dead was very good, very dark)
Sorry I wasn't saying she was in awe of him more the previous assistants. But why not be in awe of him - wouldn't you be? I'd also suggest that there are more people who would prefer Martha back to Donna. The petitions (and theres several of them around) would amass to around a couple of million signatures (I'm guessing theres a % of cross signing, etc) which would be around 1/5 to 2/5 of the viewing figures - now thats a lot.
Most people, like myself, are watching it because they love the show (but hate Donna). It's not because of the CT Show that I hate her. It's because of the way she acts. I don't find her emotionally in tune with what is happening. A lot of crocodile tears and not enough substance. She was relaxing a couple of episodes ago being pampered and what have you yet she still wasn't happy.
Rose gave the role energy a lot of running around. Martha gave the role integrity with her doctorate (so two doctors this time). Whats Donna given the role? Chaviness?
Just my opinions I don't care if I'm in the majority or minority it's just how I feel she is.
M.
Most people, like myself, are watching it because they love the show (but hate Donna). It's not because of the CT Show that I hate her. It's because of the way she acts. I don't find her emotionally in tune with what is happening. A lot of crocodile tears and not enough substance. She was relaxing a couple of episodes ago being pampered and what have you yet she still wasn't happy.
Rose gave the role energy a lot of running around. Martha gave the role integrity with her doctorate (so two doctors this time). Whats Donna given the role? Chaviness?
Just my opinions I don't care if I'm in the majority or minority it's just how I feel she is.
M.
Well the problem with time travel is that the doctor is not the only person who can do it. Hence although he went forward at that point in time nothing changed however if after that poiint in time another source goes back and changes something then it will change as he's following his own timeline (thats the way I see it anyway).
Although another view is that the world is there so he knows its going to get saved eventually. I prefer the above one though!
It's damn complicated this time stuff!
M.
Although another view is that the world is there so he knows its going to get saved eventually. I prefer the above one though!
It's damn complicated this time stuff!
M.