Does anyone vote BNP if so why

ironman · 9 Mar 2003 at 17:13

Originally posted by dirtydog
Cosmopolitan?

I must admit I do feel uncomfortable that SOME areas in Britain, whites are in the minority.

No doubt that means I'm racist

Can I ask why you feel uncomfortable? Have you considered how in MOST areas the whites are a majority, take the UK infact, 92% or something of the UK is white, but that doesn't make me uncomfortable. If you feel threatened in an area just simply move away and before you ask we strongly considered moving away from an estate where we got racial abuse from white people. We don't live in that area now and everything is fine. It's not that hard a choice really.

If we were to let BNP in power they would get rid of all the non whites simple. People have said it in this thread and BNP themselves have said it in their manifesto.

dirtydog · 9 Mar 2003 at 17:14

Originally posted by Jazz
Jealousy? Please explain.

Every racist person ive met has come accross as very jealous of me and what my family have achieved.

If they are jealous, perhaps it is of your success and nothing to do with your race?

Do they not use up a valuable empty property, which are very scarce down here? Do they not use the health service?

they also pay for the property and explain to me how they use the health service if they are illegal?

They may pay for it but it's still one less available, isn't it.

1: Increased housing availability

Do you know how many houses are available for rent these days, i opened my newspaper and there were at least 50 available properties and illegal immigrants usually live in crappy ol houses and pay a lot for it, the houses are usually very over-crowded and dirty, would the normal live there HELL NO they wouldnt

At any given time there are 100s or 1000s of people in an area, looking for a home to rent. The fact that there are more would-be tenants than there are properties (and certainly decent properties) pushes prices right up. Simple economics - supply & demand.

2: Increased job Oppurtunities (i.e non illegals ar eneeded to fiil these roles)

They also usually work with builders doing back breaking work for 10+ hours every day and getting £25-£30 a day, try using a kango to dig up foundations for one day and id be suprised if u can even get up in the morning. Not a loss in jobs though coz 99% of people dont want to do those jobs and want to live a easy live and make lots of money, id say a lot of people on the unemployment list are there coz they dont want to do hardwork

3: increased tax contribution and reduction of levels of none illegal unemployed

Fair enough, doesnt cost u money though, it just means u dont make that money

4: Reduction in use of healthcare

Again u wanna explain? You think they are stupid enough to go to a hospital

Even assuming they don't have forged ID or get round it some other way - what about casualty / road accidents, or don't illegal immigrants have accidents

5: reduction in use of Police

Again they usually stay to themselves and dont cause problems as they know they will get caught

What if they are victims of crime then?

6: reduction in use of Fire Brigade

Never heard of illegal immigrants torching places down

What if their own place burns down by accident?

7: reduction in education costs (if they have children at schools)

They leave their families back home and come here to make money and send it home

They all do, do they? None of them come with kids, or have kids when they get here?

btw I hope it's easy to read my answers

Kanes · 9 Mar 2003 at 17:17

Originally posted by gurdas
If we were to let BNP in power they would get rid of all the non whites simple. People have said it in this thread and BNP themselves have said it in their manifesto.

i'm sorry you've jsut made me laugh, if we 'let' the BNP get power. I think you'll find they get voted in, nobody has to allow them other than the queen and she'll never refuse a democratically elected party.

So if they do get elected, it's perfectly acceptable because it's what the majority wanted. Sorry my opinion is the majority should always be catered for, even :eek:

at the expense of minorities

dirtydog · 9 Mar 2003 at 17:17

Originally posted by gurdas
Can I ask why you feel uncomfortable? Have you considered how in MOST areas the whites are a majority, take the UK infact, 92% or something of the UK is white, but that doesn't make me uncomfortable. If you feel threatened in an area just simply move away and before you ask we strongly considered moving away from an estate where we got racial abuse from white people. We don't live in that area now and everything is fine. It's not that hard a choice really.

If we were to let BNP in power they would get rid of all the non whites simple. People have said it in this thread and BNP themselves have said it in their manifesto.

To be perfectly honest I don't know why I feel uncomfortable. Non-whites per se do not make me feel uncomfortable, I am not racist (consciously then) and I have non-white friends. I think a lot of people feel the same way as me though, who also consider themselves non-racists.

ironman · 9 Mar 2003 at 17:23

Originally posted by Kanes
i'm sorry you've jsut made me laugh, if we 'let' the BNP get power. I think you'll find they get voted in, nobody has to allow them other than the queen and she'll never refuse a democratically elected party.

So if they do get elected, it's perfectly acceptable because it's what the majority wanted. Sorry my opinion is the majority should always be catered for, even at the expense of minorities

If BNP were elected because of their policies this is one ****** up country because who would want to get rid of honest hard working non whites who offer 150% more to the country than some white people?

If BNP do get in power, even if the majority want non whites out, I for one am not moving from my chair.

But I think the MAJORITY of the British public are smart and wont vote for BNP because of their policies.

Be honest, are you racist? Question not a statement.

Dirtydog, you said you feel uncomfortable, yet you just said you dont feel uncomfortable :confused:

astralcars · 9 Mar 2003 at 17:26

Originally posted by Kanes
i'm sorry you've jsut made me laugh, if we 'let' the BNP get power. I think you'll find they get voted in, nobody has to allow them other than the queen and she'll never refuse a democratically elected party.

So if they do get elected, it's perfectly acceptable because it's what the majority wanted. Sorry my opinion is the majority should always be catered for, even at the expense of minorities

Their manifesto doesn't say 'We will get rid of non-whites', though from the reading I've been doing today, that seems to be what organisations such as the BNP would want in the long run. If the BNP were to be voted in, it would probably be on the back of their asylum, and economic policies. Of course they wouldn't make their long run objective (an all white britain) clear. I don't want to be too dramatic - even if they were come into power, I doubt they'd be able to accomplish something like that. The point I'm trying to make is, just because a party is in power, it doesn't mean their actions are in line with the wishes of the majority and are therefore acceptable. Do you think the majority of people are in favour of war with Iraq? Are the majority in favour of the impeding increase in taxes?

At The Gates · 9 Mar 2003 at 17:28

I do know what you mean dirtydog, but how much of it is down to the area? I dont feel comfortable in certain black/asian majority areas (Brixton, Stockwell etc) but it's not because of the colour of the residents skin, it's because the area's can be quite dangerous! And if everyone there was white it would be as dangerous as it is now. Poverty is the cause here, not skin colour.

But back to your feelings, i can understand it at times. Everyone likes familiarity, no matter how non racist they are. It's nothing to do with racism, just an inherent human instinct.

Although they also say familiarity breeds contempt, so who knows!

dirtydog · 9 Mar 2003 at 17:29

Originally posted by gurdas
Dirtydog, you said you feel uncomfortable, yet you just said you dont feel uncomfortable

I edited my post to include 'per se'.

ie. if I meet someone who is non white, I don't feel uncomfortable or have a problem. But if I see on the news that a particular area of London is predominantly non white, or I see a classroom which has 30 kids but only two white kids in it, I do feel uncomfortable. Can I put into words the reason why? No

I'm sure others will have their own ideas though.

Kanes · 9 Mar 2003 at 17:30

Originally posted by gurdas
If BNP do get in power, even if the majority want non whites out, I for one am not moving from my chair.

But I think the MAJORITY of the British public are smart and wont vote for BNP.

Be honest, are you racist? Question not a statement.

Dirtydog, you said you feel uncomfortable, yet you just said you dont feel uncomfortable

I read they were offering you the chance to leave, i fail to read them stating in black and white that they'd forcefully remove you.

I've been called racist, but then again half the people in this thread have been called it for voicing their opinions. I admit to having negative opinions on certain types of people based on past experiences, i'm certainly not afraid to be called racist. It seems the word is thrown around so often, i'm in favour of a majority decision, none of this current PC pandying to minorities incase of upsetting them

ironman · 9 Mar 2003 at 17:31

Originally posted by astralcars
Their manifesto doesn't say 'We will get rid of non-whites', though from the reading I've been doing today, that seems to be what organisations such as the BNP would want in the long run. I

"the introduction of a system of voluntary resettlement whereby those immigrants who are legally here will be afforded the opportunity to return to their lands of ethnic origin assisted by a generous financial incentives both for individuals and for the countries in question"

Its exactly what they are saying but in a honey coated dressing. But as you say, it wouldn't work no way. Fact is I know if we were going to be forced out, there would be hell of a bloody battle, not only from ethnic minorities here, but support from outside countries. Heck it would turn into a war.

ironman · 9 Mar 2003 at 17:35

Originally posted by Kanes
I read they were offering you the chance to leave, i fail to read them stating in black and white that they'd forcefully remove you.

I've been called racist, but then again half the people in this thread have been called it for voicing their opinions. I admit to having negative opinions on certain types of people based on past experiences, i'm certainly not afraid to be called racist. It seems the word is thrown around so often, i'm in favour of a majority decision, none of this current PC pandying to minorities incase of upsetting them

What are these past experiences then?

As for them offering us a chance to leave, what sort of government does that!? It will start out as an offer in which we can decline but I guarantee their main goal is to force everyone out because why would they have such a policy?

Majority decision is good, but when minorities fight against racism and descrimination its hardly PC is it. We should not have to put up with it in the first place.

At The Gates · 9 Mar 2003 at 17:36

Originally posted by Kanes
I read they were offering you the chance to leave, i fail to read them stating in black and white that they'd forcefully remove you.

Yes but this is a very dangerous game to play and one i'll never participate in. With people like the BNP, a few years down the line and a few changes here and there and voluntarily becomes compulsory

Originally posted by Kanes
I've been called racist, but then again half the people in this thread have been called it for voicing their opinions. I admit to having negative opinions on certain types of people based on past experiences, i'm certainly not afraid to be called racist. It seems the word is thrown around so often, i'm in favour of a majority decision, none of this current PC pandying to minorities incase of upsetting them

People form opinions and feelings based on past experiences so i can entirely understand what you say, but it's extremely important to keep level headed and not give in to hatred based purely on knee jerk reactions and the actions of few bad people. (not that i'm saying you do).

ironman · 9 Mar 2003 at 17:54

Also Kanes, being the victim of racial hatred/predjudice because of my colour/religion/appearence throughout my life, I KNOW how to spot a racist person so don't think I just say it for the fun of it because thats not my game.

JAzz · 9 Mar 2003 at 18:53

If they are jealous, perhaps it is of your success and nothing to do with your race?

Nope they usually throw abit of racist stuff in like, u ****, i hate all u indians hehe

They may pay for it but it's still one less available, isn't it.

Yep, still they only got it coz no one else wanted it

At any given time there are 100s or 1000s of people in an area, looking for a home to rent. The fact that there are more would-be tenants than there are properties (and certainly decent properties) pushes prices right up. Simple economics - supply & demand.

They usually live in numbers, ive heard of 13 people living in a 3 bedroom house coz they can afford it themselves, the number of houses occupied by them is very little but like u said 1 less property

Even assuming they don't have forged ID or get round it some other way - what about casualty / road accidents, or don't illegal immigrants have accidents

I doubt they would have the balls to go in for a hospital appointment coz they would be too scared but they would go to the doctors and have to pay for their own medicine

What if they are victims of crime then?

they usually will have to live with it and not tell anyone

What if their own place burns down by accident?

hehe ive never heard of one case of an illegal immigran burning their house down but hey ya never know

They all do, do they? None of them come with kids, or have kids when they get here?

Most dont have kids in this country, they usually leave them back home

phykell · 9 Mar 2003 at 18:54

Originally posted by Kanes excuse me for making an analogy of this thread

<right> i would vote for the BNP
<left> you do realise they're racist!
<right> their manifesto has no evidence of this
<left> but *insert mention of some member belonging to a far right organisation*
<right> but i agree with their policies
<left> racist!
<right> whatever

it seems the only argument for voting for the BNP is that some members have expressed views deemed racist. Well i'm sure a few tories have expressed racist views in the past. Labour express views i don't agree with, so i won't be voting for them. The BNP express most opinions i agree with, and their we have how to pick who to vote for

Sadly it's unlikely a party will express your views 100% because of the vast number of issues debated, so you pick the one which expresses yours most, which in my case (and others) is the BNP

I'll give an analogy of your contributions to this thread then:

Us: So do you support the BNP
You: Yes.
Us: But they're racist.
You: I agree with most of their opinions.
Us: Are you racist?
You (finally): I admit to having negative opinions on certain types of people based on past experiences, i'm certainly not afraid to be called racist. PC, pandying to minorities, asylum seekers, etc.

You and everyone else who support the BNP have been asked directly if you are racists, you continue to evade the question and others refuse to even comment.

How about this then, two questions:

1. Do you have negative feelings about people based on their race?

2. Do you think the "white man" (whatever that is) is "superior" in any way?

phykell · 9 Mar 2003 at 19:02

Originally posted by memphisto We need to stop this abuse of our system NOW !

Perhaps so, but that doesn't mean it's OK to vote for a party who cynically changed their manifesto as part of a publicity stunt to *hide* their true nature, a nature which is fundamental to the rotten core of the BNP, a nature which is all about the superiority of the white man, a nature which has in the past promoted violence against non-whites. Anyone with half a brain can read through the lines and do a tiny bit of digging to reveal the awful truth that is the BNP and their real agenda. I believe that people who vote for the BNP have to have *real* short memories or be incredibly ignorant if they believe the BNP has thrown out its old prejudices.

Anyone with any sense can recognise fascists when they see them, even if the jack boot is hidden beneath a pair of Farah slacks...

dirtydog · 9 Mar 2003 at 19:07

Originally posted by phykell
I believe that people who vote for the BNP have to have *real* short memories or be incredibly ignorant if they believe the BNP has thrown out its old prejudices.

Or a third option.. people vote for the BNP knowing all of the above, but do it purely to influence the policy of parties who otherwise don't listen?

And a number of us have answered the question of whether we are racists, or was your post directed just at Kanes?

Matthew-1985 · 9 Mar 2003 at 19:12

Originally posted by phykell
You and everyone else who support the BNP have been asked directly if you are racists, you continue to evade the question and others refuse to even comment.

And what if people said they were? What would you do then?

ironman · 9 Mar 2003 at 19:18

Originally posted by Matthew-1985
And what if people said they were? What would you do then?

It would give us a better understanding on how they think and why they voted for BNP.

You said you were proBNP are you for the idea of sending everyone back to the land of their ethnic origin?

phykell · 9 Mar 2003 at 19:21

The BNP are a racist party. This racism is fundamental to their particular branch of fascist politics and goes far beyond what people inappropriately call "far-right" politics.

Current immigration laws and the handling of asylum seekers has caused a great deal of concern for the ordinary man and woman in the street because they are being told by the media that these immigrants are stealing jobs, etc. Perhaps they are, and I'm willing to believe the truth is even more shocking but as a non-racist, it's Government policy I disagree with. I can't really blame those individuals who will try and make it to the UK in order to improve their lives or the lives of their families, do you?

The BNP have used the current situation as a spring-board to launch their assault on British politics and somehow, they've even made a few wins in certain constituencies. Their current manifesto lists all the unattainable nonsense that any immature party might list, in a frantic bid to win power at any cost. Their manifesto relies heavily on the current resentment against asylum seekers, voter apathy, and the abject ignorance and laziness of the voters they are targetting, voters who would rather blame their own misfortune on others rather than accept responsibility themselves.

The BNP have recognised that the British public do not accept the Government's current policy on asylum seekers, and they see it as an opportunity to villify the immigrants themselves, as individuals. They say they aren't racist, and that's because they don't need to be. Right now, it serves their purpose to attack Government policy instead, a convenient vehicle to apply their covertly insidious racism.