Does anyone vote BNP if so why
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No. It's not right to try and make them go back but we should stop more from coming in.
That's about the only think I disagree with though.
Let's hope the other parties don't miss the "point" of a protest vote for the BNP and assume the country is turning into one full of extreme right-wing fascist racists and bigots then.
I've already acknowledged that fact earlier but yes, I'm still waiting to hear from Kanes amongst others.
They may try to depict BNP voters in that way but they will know very well why the BNP vote has increased. Not as an explicit endorsement of BNP policies (although many of their policies, taken at face value, I agree with) but as a rejection of the government's failure on asylum.
I believe a vote for the BNP is a powerful and effective tool which does influence government policy.
What it will show is that people are generally too lazy to do absolutely anything other than go and place a tick in a given box. It would perhaps, give protest voters some credibility if they had at least written to their local MP, Tony Blair or newspapers, but I imagine most will simply turn up and tick the BNP box.
OK, now please correct me if I'm wrong, but are you saying the protest vote is just fine as long as they don't actually get into power? If so, can I remind you that BNP members have won some seats. I wonder how many of the people who voted for them were just protest voting, never believing they would get in.
Every time you speak up for the BNP and especially if you vote for them, you are helping to further their cause, a cause which is coloured (no pun intended) by their fundamental belief in the superiority of the white man.
The BNP will pass laws to prevent mixed-marriages. What do you feel about that?
Q: Why are you against mixed-raced relationships?
A: We are against mixed-raced relationships because we believe that all species and races of life on this planet are beautiful and must be preserved. When whites take partners from other ethnic groups, a white family line that stretches back into deep pre-history is destroyed. And, of course, the same is true of the non-white side. We want generations that spring from us to be the same as us, look like us, and be moved by the same things as us. We feel that to preserve the rich tapestry of mankind, we must preserve ethnic differences, not ‘mish-mash’ them together.
Source - BNP website - Q&A with the BNP Chairman...
Read it, digest it and understand it...
Soldato
They are against "mish-mash". Pretty much somes up their view of seperating everybody, yet what this country needs is more integration. How do you attempt to stop racial hatred when all groups of all different races are kept apart?
Morons.
Morons.
Caporegime
hmm ive just read the BNP policies, and must say they are pretty trashy
they promise a lot of things that any british citizen would want, but offer totally unworkable solutions
i dont know if any of the people who wrote those policies have every done economics or anything, but they economy stance is laughable...
yes like they are doing in zimbabwe or wherever
that doesnt go down too well, and nothing else they say works. it would just kill us as a nation economically...we would be creating a situation where it would just be a disaster.
their pollution stance is unworkable too.
their immigration stance isnt too good neither
what about americans/canadians etcand everyone else who could potentially benefit our society rather than cripple it?
they promise a lot of things that any british citizen would want, but offer totally unworkable solutions
i dont know if any of the people who wrote those policies have every done economics or anything, but they economy stance is laughable...
yes like they are doing in zimbabwe or wherever
that doesnt go down too well, and nothing else they say works. it would just kill us as a nation economically...we would be creating a situation where it would just be a disaster.
their pollution stance is unworkable too.
their immigration stance isnt too good neither
what about americans/canadians etcand everyone else who could potentially benefit our society rather than cripple it?
I see. So have you tried writing to anyone? Have you tried anything other than telling us you'll support the BNP as a protest?
Do you live in an area where there either is, or there's a strong chance of, an elected BNP councillor?
I'm sure the same was said of the Nazis last century...
Are you going to say anything about their policy on mixed-marriages?
Caporegime
yes i do, in the oldham borough
ya but the worlds changed, there were very specific circumstances at that time that allowed that to happen, i find it unlikely we will be in such a position anytime soon
I knew you'd say that!
It is not a policy I support, I have no problem with mixed relationships, marriages, whatever. But they will never win power (except councillors - perhaps an MP or two, in their wildest dreams) so it is academic.
Do you really think writing to the PM (who probably gets many thousands of letters a week) or my local MP would have anything approaching the same effect as the BNP getting votes, or a councillor elected?
Caporegime
but the question of how much of an impact it would actually make on the current Gov'ts policies is questionable
there was uproar when the BNP got the votes they did at the last election, that news was everywhere
but what exactly came from that, we still have the ommigration problems and although it shook things up a bit, it died off pretty quickly
the only way to make it get knoticed and acted upon would be for them to win a hell of a lot, and thats not likely as u just said
edit: so what good will airing prejudice views actually do for those who vote bnp
there was uproar when the BNP got the votes they did at the last election, that news was everywhere
but what exactly came from that, we still have the ommigration problems and although it shook things up a bit, it died off pretty quickly
the only way to make it get knoticed and acted upon would be for them to win a hell of a lot, and thats not likely as u just said
edit: so what good will airing prejudice views actually do for those who vote bnp
there policy on mixed marriages i disagree with however that is only one policy out of most of them on there.
I do not support labours stance on
Euro
The Use of Spin
Transport
Taxes
Asylum
Criminals
the list goes on and on.
All I am saying is that of all parties the BNP have the most appealing policies to me whether they appear unworkable or not. If they manage half of what they say on some policies then they will have done a good job in my view.
This isnt saying i will or wont vote for them but the blanket refusal of most people to even consider them and then call them rascist scum is to me wrong.
SOme of you arguing on here have had a look at the BNP and have said that in your opinion that they are not the party for you and also you dont think they are the party for the country. Some of us think differently than you that does in no way mean we are wrong, it just means we have different opinions than yourselves.
You term them as rascists yet refuse (as none has commented on my post yet on page 6) to also deem labour as a rascist party eventhough they could easily be considered so.
As I have said under there leadership we have seen the introduction of policies in certain sectors which mean that a certain percentage of all jobs must be occupied by those form ethnic minorities. This is not a case of best person for the job but simple discrimination against those who are not from ethnic minorities, hence rascist.
By this the party has implemented rascist policies already within Britain. To not acknowledge the fact that the current ruling party could be deemed as rascist then accuse the BNP as being rascist scum to me is ironic.
I do not support labours stance on
Euro
The Use of Spin
Transport
Taxes
Asylum
Criminals
the list goes on and on.
All I am saying is that of all parties the BNP have the most appealing policies to me whether they appear unworkable or not. If they manage half of what they say on some policies then they will have done a good job in my view.
This isnt saying i will or wont vote for them but the blanket refusal of most people to even consider them and then call them rascist scum is to me wrong.
SOme of you arguing on here have had a look at the BNP and have said that in your opinion that they are not the party for you and also you dont think they are the party for the country. Some of us think differently than you that does in no way mean we are wrong, it just means we have different opinions than yourselves.
You term them as rascists yet refuse (as none has commented on my post yet on page 6) to also deem labour as a rascist party eventhough they could easily be considered so.
As I have said under there leadership we have seen the introduction of policies in certain sectors which mean that a certain percentage of all jobs must be occupied by those form ethnic minorities. This is not a case of best person for the job but simple discrimination against those who are not from ethnic minorities, hence rascist.
By this the party has implemented rascist policies already within Britain. To not acknowledge the fact that the current ruling party could be deemed as rascist then accuse the BNP as being rascist scum to me is ironic.
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I just read through that and it's the biggest load of tosh I've ever read!! I can't believe the guys who wrote it expect people of take it seriously! It reads more like something from a satirical political comedy.
It may be funny but it's not a policy for government.
Caporegime
memphisto: but surely u cant think their plans for our economy is a positive move for our country?
No problem, but could you use the conventional quote system as it made for some extra work to reply to this...
Why on Earth would you think that? Do you really believe their past beliefs have nothing to do with their current politics? And it's not about portrayal, it's about facts. There is plenty of evidence which is freely available, to show what the BNP is all about, and recent evidence too. The Panorama investigation showed that all too well. Still, if you want to judge a party simply by what its website's front page says conveniently forgetting the very roots of the party and what it stands for, then I suppose it's your problem.
You accept that they are only "above board" on what you read at face value, and then you expect me to condone them because other parties also have their hidden agendas. What is it you want me to say? That they're not that bad after all just because other parties are bad also? No, the truth is that the BNP are the most dangerous party out there, with simple manifesto policies designed to hide their true nature. No matter how bad the other parties are, they have not been linked to violence and inciting racial hatred and I think I'd be wasting my time if I tried to explain just why the BNP is so beneath contempt because there is plenty of evidence freely available as I've already said. But that's not your point is it? You have read the front page, you've even delved deeper and found reasons for concern yet you still talk as though they are a viable alternative. They're not and if you don't understand that based on what you've read, you are probably beyond my ability to convince you otherwise.
That isn't the issue I'm afraid and I have to say that your reasoning is very weak. To imply that Labour's policy of equal rights is racist in the same way as the BNP is racist is ridiculous (sorry but that's my opinion). I'm not saying that Labour is right in enforcing such a policy, but as I say, there is simply no comparison with the kind of racial policies the BNP would wish to enforce like preventing mixed-race marriages.
found it DOH!
ECONOMY - British workers first!
Globalisation, with its export of jobs to the Third World, is bringing ruin and unemployment to British industries and the communities that depend on them. Accordingly, the BNP calls for the selective exclusion of foreign-made goods from British markets and the reduction of foreign imports. We will ensure that our manufactured goods are, wherever possible, produced in British factories, employing British workers. When this is done, unemployment in this country will be brought to an end, and secure, well-paid employment will flourish, at last getting our people back to work and ending the waste and injustice of having more than 4 million people in a hidden army of the unemployed concealed by Labour’s statistical fiddles. We further believe that British industry, commerce, land and other economic and natural assets belong in the final analysis to the British nation and people. To that end we will restore our economy and land to British ownership. We also call for preference in the job market to be given to native Britons. We will take active steps to break up the socially, economically and politically damaging monopolies now being established by the supermarket giants. Finally we will seek to give British workers a stake in the success and prosperity of the enterprises whose profits their labour creates by encouraging worker shareholder and co-operative schemes.
ok I agree to a degree with some of that above. I do not agree with the preference been given to native britons. My personal opinion on that is that in every job it should be the best candidate for the job regardless of any other factor such as sex / race / religion / colour etc etc.
I do agree with reducing foreign imports if by that they mean giving british contracts to say german workers. In this I mean things such as ship building, tanks, armed forces contracts, coal, meat, etc etc
by awarding these contracts simply on the basis of who gives the cheapest quotes is shortsighted in my view as the impact on the british economy through job losses and then the amounts given out to these new found unemployed in benefit payments should also be considered.
this would probably not only drastically reduce unemployment but also the amount the country doles out every week to the unemployed.
So I guess in the main I do agree with there plans although they do need to give far more information on how they would implement them.
ECONOMY - British workers first!
Globalisation, with its export of jobs to the Third World, is bringing ruin and unemployment to British industries and the communities that depend on them. Accordingly, the BNP calls for the selective exclusion of foreign-made goods from British markets and the reduction of foreign imports. We will ensure that our manufactured goods are, wherever possible, produced in British factories, employing British workers. When this is done, unemployment in this country will be brought to an end, and secure, well-paid employment will flourish, at last getting our people back to work and ending the waste and injustice of having more than 4 million people in a hidden army of the unemployed concealed by Labour’s statistical fiddles. We further believe that British industry, commerce, land and other economic and natural assets belong in the final analysis to the British nation and people. To that end we will restore our economy and land to British ownership. We also call for preference in the job market to be given to native Britons. We will take active steps to break up the socially, economically and politically damaging monopolies now being established by the supermarket giants. Finally we will seek to give British workers a stake in the success and prosperity of the enterprises whose profits their labour creates by encouraging worker shareholder and co-operative schemes.
ok I agree to a degree with some of that above. I do not agree with the preference been given to native britons. My personal opinion on that is that in every job it should be the best candidate for the job regardless of any other factor such as sex / race / religion / colour etc etc.
I do agree with reducing foreign imports if by that they mean giving british contracts to say german workers. In this I mean things such as ship building, tanks, armed forces contracts, coal, meat, etc etc
by awarding these contracts simply on the basis of who gives the cheapest quotes is shortsighted in my view as the impact on the british economy through job losses and then the amounts given out to these new found unemployed in benefit payments should also be considered.
this would probably not only drastically reduce unemployment but also the amount the country doles out every week to the unemployed.
So I guess in the main I do agree with there plans although they do need to give far more information on how they would implement them.
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How can you compare Nick Griffin to Tony Blair or Mark Collett to Jonny Reynolds?
Has Tony been secretly dabbling in far right politics, perhaps a closet member of the good old NF!?Do you think wearing a BNP t-shirt on a night out would get you the same response as a Labour equivalent? Have you asked yourself why?
The BNP are playing with your naivety and ignorance, argue/debate here until you are blue in the face, but you are supporting a racist party with obviously a very unclear agenda or you most certainly would not be offering support, unless of course you are racist?
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