Does anyone vote BNP if so why

quackers · 9 Mar 2003 at 12:45

Originally posted by LizardKing
I noticed a lot of people here who are going "omg you cant vote for the BNP" are from area's that dont have any real problem with racism. you may get the odd jibe but thats it.
Coming from the Blackburn area (i belive they now have had a BNP member elected now) i can tell you these areas have a REAL problem, the govenment are doing nothing about it, or are seen at doing nothing about it. You walk down a "black" part of the town and you will be either attacked by mobs or have racial abuse thrown at you, the same for a "white" part of the town, i wouldnt even dare walk/drive through parts of Burnley. You dont see half of it on TV

People are looking for a way out and see voting BNP as the way, and to a certain extent i belive it is, there hard line views certainly do encourage people to vote for them, there not scared of airing there views on the issue's unlike Labour etc. Calling them scum is a bit wrong, because they have strong beliefs in somthing that you dont particular agree on you cant go around calling them scum.

Are parts of burnley, stoke, blackburn etc that bad?

In liverpool the black part of the city is toxeth, famous for the massive riots in the 70's.. I dont think theres any serious problems like blackburn etc..

ironman · 9 Mar 2003 at 13:24

lizard its like that in a lot of towns, maybe just a bit extra where you live because of the higher population/density. The fact is that BNP's policies are derived from racial views, so in my eyes those who discriminate others because of their colour/race/nationality/physical appearences are SCUM and deserve to be put away with a shotgun to the temple :mad:

dirtydog · 9 Mar 2003 at 13:49

Originally posted by gurdas
lizard its like that in a lot of towns, maybe just a bit extra where you live because of the higher population/density. The fact is that BNP's policies are derived from racial views, so in my eyes those who discriminate others because of their colour/race/nationality/physical appearences are SCUM and deserve to be put away with a shotgun to the temple

I think you've just described a lot of people on this forum when you say discriminate on grounds of nationality

All those who don't mind killing Iraqis because they are Iraqis, for example. Or those who hate the French because they are French.

Kanes · 9 Mar 2003 at 13:53

Originally posted by gurdas
lizard its like that in a lot of towns, maybe just a bit extra where you live because of the higher population/density. The fact is that BNP's policies are derived from racial views, so in my eyes those who discriminate others because of their colour/race/nationality/physical appearences are SCUM and deserve to be put away with a shotgun to the temple

so people having an opinion is bad
yet killling people because of their views is acceptable

how understanding and liberal

Ex-RoNiN · 9 Mar 2003 at 13:53

Originally posted by dirtydog
I think you've just described a lot of people on this forum when you say discriminate on grounds of nationality

Sad, isn't it? And this is supposed to be a developed country in a developed part of the world...

Ex-RoNiN · 9 Mar 2003 at 13:55

Originally posted by Kanes
so people having an opinion is bad
yet killling people because of their views is acceptable

how understanding and liberal

Racism, extreme Nationalism and fascism aren't opinions, Mr. wanna-be civil rights activist :rolleyes:

Kanes · 9 Mar 2003 at 13:55

Originally posted by Ex-RoNiN
Sad, isn't it? And this is supposed to be a developed country in a developed part of the world...

which means people are free to have and air their opinions

Ex-RoNiN · 9 Mar 2003 at 13:59

Originally posted by Kanes
which means people are free to have and air their opinions

And what do opinions have to do with racism?

silverpaw · 9 Mar 2003 at 14:01

Originally posted by Kanes
which means people are free to have and air their opinions

And others are entitled to be protected from prejudice, ignorant and those enciting racial hatred.

astralcars · 9 Mar 2003 at 14:05

Originally posted by Kanes
which means people are free to have and air their opinions

Being a developed country, do you think UK citizens should be free to incite racial hatred?

Regardless of their new façade the BNP is made up of many racists and as such, they'll never get a vote off me.

Kanes · 9 Mar 2003 at 14:06

Originally posted by Ex-RoNiN
And what do opinions have to do with racism?

it's an opinion on those from other nations/colours and religions. I don't make the rules but if people have opinions they are free to air them

Kanes · 9 Mar 2003 at 14:08

Originally posted by astralcars
Being a developed country, do you think UK citizens should be free to incite racial hatred?

yes, if you refuse people an opportunity to air their opinions then this isn't a developed country

dirtydog · 9 Mar 2003 at 14:10

This is why I think the BROAD definition of racism is wrong, and the narrow definition is right - ie. racism = discrimination on grounds of colour/physical appearance - race. NOT religion/nationality.

It's like the Anne Robinson comment (which was tongue in cheek anyway :rolleyes:

) about the Welsh.. the PC brigade pounced on it as racism :rolleyes:

*yawn*

silverpaw · 9 Mar 2003 at 14:11

Originally posted by Kanes
yes, if you refuse people an opportunity to air their opinions then this isn't a developed country

The BNP aren't a bunch of guys airing opinions, they're a political faction, stating how they are going to run the country. They base their policy on race, the party is founded on racism. This is nothing to do with 'opinion' or freedom of speach.

Kanes · 9 Mar 2003 at 14:13

Originally posted by silverpaw
The BNP aren't a bunch of guys airing opinions, they're a political faction, stating how they are going to run the country. They base their policy on race, the party is founded on racism. This is nothing to do with 'opinion' or freedom of speach.

but it is freedom to run for government, they have to get VOTED in, so it won't be a problem unless they get a majority vote

silverpaw · 9 Mar 2003 at 14:13

Originally posted by dirtydog
It's like the Anne Robinson comment (which was tongue in cheek anyway ) about the Welsh.. the PC brigade pounced on it as racism *yawn*

No they didn't, welsh people and conservative media huggers did. I don't see xenophobia as much better than racism anyway.

dirtydog · 9 Mar 2003 at 14:20

Originally posted by silverpaw
No they didn't, welsh people and conservative media huggers did. I don't see xenophobia as much better than racism anyway.

Some Welsh people anyway, not all.

It's a shame we have the PC thought police who analyse everything everyone says, ready to jump on them at the slightest hint of what they see as racism, like the CRE :rolleyes:

Visker · 9 Mar 2003 at 14:20

BNP, One Of The Reasons Why I Don't Like Classing Myself British.

Last Election I Voted For Whoever Was At Top, If BNP Are At The Top Next Time... I'll Vote The Bottom One.

But If You Vote BNP, Good On You At Least You Are Voting... Even If Its For The Wrong Party

pamplemoose · 9 Mar 2003 at 14:26

Originally posted by Kanes
it's an opinion on those from other nations/colours and religions. I don't make the rules but if people have opinions they are free to air them

Not in this country they're not. They still have to obey the laws of the country about not inciting racial hatred or causing offence.

If people have racist views they should keep them to themselves

memphisto · 9 Mar 2003 at 14:28

I would seriously consider voting BNP.

Reason

There manifesto and policies are the ones that appeal to me most.

To be fair I haven't read the policies again since the pre nuke thread we had on this which did indeed get very heated over in SC.

However I remember that back then myself and another member of these forums spent quite a great deal of time reading there policies and we could not find anything that was rascist there within.

The main problem of the BNP is the perception everyone has of a group of skinheads jumping around dancing to race hate music.

This may well have been the case in the past but to me from whatever i have read and seen the BNP are not like this anymore and to a certain extent have changed dramatically to a far more serious party.

However due to there past most people will never consider them for there vote which depending on yer viewpoint is either bad or good.

I personally think they are changing and are no where near the party they used to be but they still will not appeal to most people on here or in the real world.

And as for calling them rascist scum that I do find ironic as because you are calling them that you are actually being a rascist yerself because you are picking fault based on them having different beliefs and values than yourselves.

Matthew 1985 you have yer opinion yer allowed to voice it and you are in this country allowed to vote for whoever the hell you like. It is a right which you enjoy in this country and you do not have to give any reasons for yer actions. Therefore do not be bullied by people into trying to explain youre actions and your views if you do not want to give them.