I appreciate club threads aren't allowed, but I thought it might be a good idea to have one place for all the David Moyes related criticism and discussion, rather than every weekend football thread being derailed (if Man Utd play early in the weekend). Try and keep it about the man himself, and not general club discussion.
On from that, I am obviously very concerned. I do not expect to win anything at the moment, for me it's not about that. What I do expect is some sort of direction. What exactly is Moyes trying to do on the pitch?
5 defeats in 8 games in 2014 doesn't sound at all good, but it's more the manner of those defeats. We are getting played off the park by teams with vastly inferior players in almost every position. The team look as if they've had no coaching. They can't defend properly, especially set pieces. At times they look like they don't care as well.
Moyes and his staff have taken control of the league champions, spent £70m~ on players, and then managed to drop 7 places. Yes I know there have been injuries and the players are a year older, but that doesn't excuse it. People say it's "not his team", but he should be able to get the best out of the players he has, not moan because they can't play hoofball very well.
The fact he keeps saying "we played well" when we lose is just bizarre. I understand he wouldn't hang the team out to dry, but he seems to believe it - that this style of "football" would be doing wonders if only he had a bit more luck. The players are doing it now as well, the players who, despite not being great, have been ruthless and shown they can easily beat weaker teams if they really want to.
His position is apparently fairly secure purely based on the blind faith of Sir Alex, who thinks Moyes can emulate him. What are the chances of that? Pretty damn low. Managers who stay at a club for 15+ years are extremely rare, it's never really been common, and is even less so now.
The odds that with Moyes we get another Alex Ferguson are monumentally low, I've seen someone say it's like trying to win the lottery twice in a row with the same numbers. Moyes has to demonstrate he's got some sort of clue as to what he's doing and the direction he wants to take the club in. I don't care if we lose, as long as some sort of effort is being made.
Stability = success is the party line that keeps being rolled out. Is it true? Not really. The two most successful clubs in Europe at the moment - Barca and Bayern - have both had a combined total of 12 managers in the last decade.
I don't dislike Moyes, and I'd love nothing more than him to suddenly come good, but it's a risk and reward situation, and I'm not sure it's worth risking any more than we already have.
On from that, I am obviously very concerned. I do not expect to win anything at the moment, for me it's not about that. What I do expect is some sort of direction. What exactly is Moyes trying to do on the pitch?
5 defeats in 8 games in 2014 doesn't sound at all good, but it's more the manner of those defeats. We are getting played off the park by teams with vastly inferior players in almost every position. The team look as if they've had no coaching. They can't defend properly, especially set pieces. At times they look like they don't care as well.
Moyes and his staff have taken control of the league champions, spent £70m~ on players, and then managed to drop 7 places. Yes I know there have been injuries and the players are a year older, but that doesn't excuse it. People say it's "not his team", but he should be able to get the best out of the players he has, not moan because they can't play hoofball very well.
The fact he keeps saying "we played well" when we lose is just bizarre. I understand he wouldn't hang the team out to dry, but he seems to believe it - that this style of "football" would be doing wonders if only he had a bit more luck. The players are doing it now as well, the players who, despite not being great, have been ruthless and shown they can easily beat weaker teams if they really want to.
His position is apparently fairly secure purely based on the blind faith of Sir Alex, who thinks Moyes can emulate him. What are the chances of that? Pretty damn low. Managers who stay at a club for 15+ years are extremely rare, it's never really been common, and is even less so now.
The odds that with Moyes we get another Alex Ferguson are monumentally low, I've seen someone say it's like trying to win the lottery twice in a row with the same numbers. Moyes has to demonstrate he's got some sort of clue as to what he's doing and the direction he wants to take the club in. I don't care if we lose, as long as some sort of effort is being made.
Stability = success is the party line that keeps being rolled out. Is it true? Not really. The two most successful clubs in Europe at the moment - Barca and Bayern - have both had a combined total of 12 managers in the last decade.
I don't dislike Moyes, and I'd love nothing more than him to suddenly come good, but it's a risk and reward situation, and I'm not sure it's worth risking any more than we already have.
