Poll: Does David Moyes need to go? **Spoilers**

[Robbo]

rearranging a squad doens't have to be 11 players obviously.,..why would i think that? It's pretty obvious what i think about the op's thread? is it baffling you is it?

You just say he needs time without any kind of qualification of your statements whatsoever. There's plenty of proof that a manager can come in and quickly get a squad playing better football, not just in the top leagues, but in the lower leagues too.

I bet there are plenty of managers who could get our current squad performing better than they are at the moment. And they could likely sign some quality players who don't cost the earth who would have helped improve the midfield etc, too.

That's not to say it's beyond Moyes, but at the moment he's looking lost at sea, to say the least.

 

[Robbo]

Manchester United ‏@ManUtd
Boss confident fortunes will change for #mufc: “We just need to keep going because our luck will change, there's no doubt about that.”

Keep crossing and our LUCK will change. Right on, Dave.

 

[Robbo]

What managers are these though? Who's had more credibility managing in the PL?

So it had to be a PL manager? Really? Why?

That's beside the point anyway, do you think he's the best we could have got then? Do you think his tactical approach so far is befitting of a man in his position?

Insanity: Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

Indeed!

 

[Robbo]

Just name someone mate?

Also, how did united win the cl final that one time? was it 2 crosses? lol

A manager I'd prefer? For the record I don't know about contract situations, buying out of contracts and all this stuff regarding the managers in question. But:

Klopp
Mourinho (originally)
Ancelotti
Simeone

Then there's people with a more proven track record like Van Gaal, De Boer, etc. And of course people who, with massive funding, could make their footballing philosophy something really special.

Instead we've got someone who at all costs doesn't want to lose and can't seem to get players passing the ball well at all. I'm not saying that is entirely Moyes' fault, it's worked well enough at Everton, but he's not at Everton now.

As for crosses, there's nothing wrong with crosses, just in moderation/mixed in with other things.

Edit: And Everton did a lot better than this, so it's really quite baffling.

 

[Robbo]

Seriously, can you void a contract if you can prove the guy is deranged?

Our luck will change, there's no doubt?!?

I posted that a bit ago.

But yes, depressing to hear. Stop talking about luck you great fool!

your reading far too much into it. He's just saying that they will keep doing what they are doing in training, it will come..

Yeah, if we cross it enough we'll conquer the world.

Or not.

 

[Robbo]

Nice to see this thread open again.

As I said in the Champions League thread yesterday:

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Even the people backing Moyes have run out of things to say now.

Yes, it's not entirely his fault, but, he:

• Is being given a role almost bigger than the club to try and build a whole new high quality team, and our future
• Has no credentials that say he's capable of doing the above
• Seems tactically very poor
• Picks the wrong team time after time
• Has quite possibly lost the dressing room
• Seems completely delusional at times
• Is a bit of an annoying ****

I think most people wanted top 4 and a decent cup run. Winning something would have been a bonus but not essential.

There are plenty of very, very good players out there that we can attract without being in the Champions League, be that by club stature, money, or both. They aren't going to be the very best but you can still do well with smart signings that don't cost the earth.

As for Moyes, I can't see many players really wanting to play for him, especially good ones. The current squad aren't doing him any favours but they don't seem to care. Unfortunately the buck has to stop with the manager, even if the players have the wrong attitude, you can't throw out an entire squad... And maybe the players are right, perhaps they think he's a joke.

On the bright side, Moyes has massively lowered expectations, we're going into every game expecting to lose at the moment - you can't get much lower. So that'll make it easier for whoever replaces him.

At any other top club, he'd be long, long gone by now.

 

[Robbo]

I don't think we'll sack him now, but a decision will have to be made before the summer transfer window opens.

It's all down to what the Glazers think, it looks as if at least 75% of the fanbase genuinely want him out - which isn't good, and he's got no realistic opportunity to turn it around.

The press are turning on him too, and he's already sick of them. An AVB style implosion could be on the cards.

 

[Robbo]

The small comfort is that if the rumours are to be believed he at least seems to be targeting the correct people for the most problematic positions.

Failaini aside.

I wouldn't say that... aside from the players from teams in Portugal or similar, he seems to be targeting people such as:

Vidal - no chance
Pogba - extremely unlikely
Kroos - extremely unlikely
Gundogan - possibly, if Madrid don't want him, back injury a concern though

He/Woodward did well to get Mata, but Mata was a panic buy (a good one though), and isn't the kind of player Moyes knows how to use.

Only because fans like you don't support the manager. what do they call the crowd? 12th man eh? i can't see any of that from the united fans on here..

standard...

edit. fixed the quote for you..

I've fully backed up everything I've said about Moyes, so perhaps read that before giving it the "you are a bad fan" attitude. It's boring. I'd love him to do well but so far he doesn't look up to the job at all.

 

[Robbo]

Mate, you never the guy a chance, it's as simple as that...

Rubbish. I'm still giving him a chance until the board say otherwise, but what has he shown as proof he's up to the job? Extremely little.

I'm not whining for him to be sacked - more pointing out the negatives against the very few positives.

Go and read through my latest posts in the main Moyes thread if you're interested.

Well regardless of who he gets or doesn't get out of the list above, they're all good players who could bring a lot to the team.

I do worry what will happen if he can't get any from his top list though, will we see another panic buy on the last day of the window?

We might do, which is a worry. Hopefully they've got a lot of targets in mind so we should end up with some decent players one way or another.

 

[Robbo]

Thing is Trusty - and I think Robbo will agree - is that none but the most deluded United fan expected us to win any trophies this year. That's fine - I have no problem with that at all. I don't even mind going out of the CL/FAC/LC early either.

But as I've said, I think the loss of CL football will affect us in the summer. Naturally, there are those who think the lure of the club and/or money will be enough - and I'd like for them to be right.

I also would like to see a sign - any sign - from Moyes that he is not absolutely drowning in the position. He has managed somehow to drain almost all the confidence from the team and (from what it looks like) lose the backing of the players.

If he can give me that sign in the last eleven games i'll happily admit I was wrong and back him completely. But I just can't get over the fact that it almost looks like Moyes has given up himself and is just staring down the proverbial barrel, wondering when someone will put him out of his misery.

I completely agree. I'd love for him to do well, he's the last bastion of hope for British managers as well, but it just looks like he was the wrong appointment, in almost every sense.

If he's still here in the summer, I really hope he makes plenty of good signings and next season things improve. Top four is all I'd want.

I'm not having a pop at you btw

it's just some fans/media which has gone crazy in football, really really crazy. they are all over him at the mo, i feel so sorry for the guy. it's expected obviously, the pressures of the job, and at the end he's been paid handsomely. but the fans and media really really make the situation worse. it's creates doubt, doubt is bad...very very bad.

Unless he's sat on RedCafe , the main interaction he has with the fans is inside the stadium, and they've backed him to the hilt, home and especially away. There were perhaps a few exceptions, but it's mostly been positive towards him.

 

[Robbo]

How is he the last bastion of hope for British managers lol?

Well, perhaps not the last, but it doesn't look good if he fails horribly? It's something the press talk about a lot, that he "needs" to do well as he's British, etc.

How many British managers are managing in the Champions League at the moment, or will be at the World Cup?

 

[Robbo]

There will be one there next year and there is that owl ****e at the WC.

Also I know Moyes is a winner and all but he was never any hope for British management, redknapp has won more bloody trophies

What are you talking about? Bona fide winner right here:

As for the Owl, I think he got the England job out of pity more than anything.

 

[Robbo]

Oh give it a rest 'jonney', you are one of the most fickle fans I've ever seen.

 

[Robbo]

Says the person who is thinking that moyes should go lol.

Keep at it "robbo" its great seeing true glory hunter/fickle fans all crying and wanting Moyes out. I'd give you till mid March before you join the bandwagon and start calling for his head officially.

You probably dont have the balls to admit it when the time comes anyway as many will just laugh at you.

Good luck.

Wow, what's got you so upset? You're the one doused in hilarious irony for all to see.

If you've read everything I've written about Moyes (I doubt you have), you might know my position isn't quite as clear cut as that.

I'm questioning his credentials, and everything he's done so far (among other things). That is not unreasonable. If it's all going horribly wrong we don't have to sit here and just put up with it, you know. I know it isn't entirely his fault, as I've already repeatedly said today.

You changed your tune on Wenger almost daily at one point, I don't think even you know what you're thinking half the time, perhaps it's not your fault. I'm pretty sure the majority of this forum treat as you as a joke. I'm one of the few people who will engage you in any sort of conversation, so don't burn your bridges.

 

[Robbo]

ive read your post and so i never ever said you specifically want moyes out "yet" but made a general sweep on united fans that want him out NOW and are begging for the next opponent to beat them heavily.

Who is begging for our next opponent to beat us heavily? Pretty sure you've done that before yourself.

You were addressing me, so, where did I say that? I once mentioned that maybe it would be better if we lost if it meant Moyes would go and we improved from there... which of course isn't a guarantee.

Perhaps people have said this in jest but very few (if any) have said it in a serious manner; either way, take it up with them. You could make a case for hoping we lose if it ultimately lead to better things, not that it would be ideal.

No not many treat me as a joke here. Just a selected few of kids in here that is all.

Well, we can agree to disagree on that.

You've clearly taken people calling you 'fickle' to heart in the past, and you've exploded in this thread having a pop at all the Man Utd fans who maybe/definitely think Moyes is the wrong man. That's pretty out of order, at least make some good points if you're going to continue ranting.

Why do you rate Moyes, and what makes you think he'll come good for us then?

 

[Robbo]

a few where during the Arsenal vs United game begging for us to spank united.

Who?

As to your last question:

1. His done well at everton on shoe string budget and a much weaker side then United
2. Fergie left Moyes with a one man aging team(search reason on the other moyes thread why your a one man team via RVP)
3. Liverpool, chelsea, arsenal and city and improved dramatically this season

Those are some of the reasons why you should not sack and lay all the blame in him.

You should all wait for the end of the season.

Yes, but clearly he's struggling terribly. Even if we lost to Liverpool, Arsenal, City and Chelsea, we should still be beating the majority of the other teams, and we aren't. In fact we're being outplayed by most of them.

We will likely wait until the end of the season, but the situation isn't going to be any different to now. We'll likely finish where we are at the moment. 5th? 6th? It doesn't matter.

You do realize that there are in theory 4 teams competing for the title and you yourself have stated how you did not expect your team to compete for the title but at least for 4th place. well as i said already, top 4 is occupied by teams fighting for the title!

We're 11 points behind 4th place, currently 6th.

For me, it's not even about the league position, it's about the apparent mentality/attitude of the team/staff now and the performances/tactics. Surely you can see this. I'm getting bored of repeating myself!

 

[Robbo]

I will search for "who" if you can search examples of me wanting wenger out or not on a "daily" basis at one point.

Arsenal must have been 11points if not more off the nearest team fighting for the title last season at this same stage. And that is my point. nearest team fighting for the title is 4th. Quality has gone up!

And last season we finished 11 points ahead of anyone else, with this exact same squad (which has had £80m+ worth of players added to it)...

Yes, the league quality has gone up, but our quality and mentality has completely collapsed. Tactically we are a total mess as well, that is entirely down to Moyes.

Of course it's not totally Moyes fault, maybe the players don't like him, or don't respect him, but that's still a massive problem. We can only replace a handful in one go.

I maintain that Moyes is a good manager, but being a good manager doesn't mean you can manage the very top clubs; we've taken a massive gamble.

 

[Robbo]

It looks like the players dont want to play for the manager any more. When a manager loses the dressing room it's a slippery sloap. Look at AVB, he was supposed to be given time to rebuild the team and move the ageing players on. He didn't even last one season at Chelsea.

It certainly does look as if that might be the case.

Football is a results business, to go from Champions to 6th/7th in one season is a massive decline for 1 season. Can u also trust Moyes with £100 million to spend? He seems to have miss managed a lot of players and now some of them are speaking out against him when u read between the lines.

This is what the Glazers will be deciding now I imagine.

It was a massive gamble but the simple fact is he wouldn't be United manager if he wasn't born in Scotland and was best friends with Fergie. Fergie picked him on favouritism and it has backfired now.

Likely true.

 

[Robbo]

He isnt going anywhere, full blacking of the glaziers. Lovely stuff

That just reads like a load of pro-Moyes rubbish really, there are loads of articles saying he's got the remaining games to prove he's up to the job, which is hopefully more accurate.

 

[Robbo]

MF and Mata = £65m~ (£27 & £37m respectively), I cant think of anyone else apart from a couple of VERY cheap U21 full backs, and Mata came in after Utd were in 7th place already so not really a fair comparision

That "extra" £15m would have bought a decent player lol

Like Zaha?

I know he's not a Moyes signing but he wasn't in the squad last season, so is technically still an addition. An addition that never got a chance!