So the fact that GT5 has the IRL, WRC, Japan super GT and NASCAR has escaped youre attention? Not sure to what degree but it would make sense to have a championship of some sort. The flag system is also included in the GT time trail , ive only seen it when going out the pits the wrong way lol. I also like the idea of a car clubs in multiplayer game so you could all be a ferrari owners club or a 4WD club, sounds pretty cool if it works right, eg lambo club vs ferrari club.
Does GT5 look better than real life?
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So the fact that GT5 has the IRL, WRC, Japan super GT and NASCAR has escaped youre attention? Not sure to what degree but it would make sense to have a championship of some sort. The flag system is also included in the GT time trail , ive only seen it when going out the pits the wrong way lol. I also like the idea of a car clubs in multiplayer game so you could all be a ferrari owners club or a 4WD club, sounds pretty cool if it works right, eg lambo club vs ferrari club.
No, it did not escape my attention that GT will have some real race cars.
Forza has real race cars too.
what is your point?
Because its not just the cars, its the licence to the racing championships thats my point.
GT aparently will not have full seasons of those Championships or indeed all the cars on track at once. It may be limited to using just a few tracks from those various forms of racing.
I dont expect it to be a total simulation or as good as pure simulations but then again those games dont feature maybe 70 tracks, 1000 cars neither. Although I do expect a very entertaining game and one that is fun to race with lots of variety and hopefully weather/night races as well.
I dont expect it to be a total simulation or as good as pure simulations but then again those games dont feature maybe 70 tracks, 1000 cars neither. Although I do expect a very entertaining game and one that is fun to race with lots of variety and hopefully weather/night races as well.
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Although this topic now seems done and the post below is not regards the "thread title" Id like to comment on a point made earlier regards SRT.
Demon made an example of their cred for reviews over other places and Demon referring to them as professionals or certainly more professional to conduct a FM3 review just because they have more sim experience. That may be the case but FM3 and GT5 will not be like proper sims and they should not be reviewed as such or have that expectancy so why does a reviewer have to have lots of previous PC sim experience to offer a credable review?
They should however be reviewed as console racing games and the mass market of players that although want sim aspects and a certain degree of accuracy/realisim they should not be criticised for not being like pure sims or indeed even compared against those.
SRT
Let me give you an example of how non professional sometimes SRT can be...
The recent impressive wheel shoootout they did and went to all the bother over even bringing in a 3rd guy to help with reviewing.
PC was used for testing not consoles for the following:
Oval Racing
Track Racing
Rally Racing
Now my question is how do you fairly conduct a review on these products on PC when ALL the products tested were used with the "Clubsport Pedals" as shown in the video.
Surely if doing a proper comparison each product would be reviewed with the pedals it is purchased with particulary when you are using actual "Race Times" as part of your review.
None of the ratings used the actual pedals each wheel is sold with which is just not an accurate way to fully or properly review them.
I think it is fair to assume that the scores/opinions/times/ratings may be effected had each wheel been reviewed/compared as it is purchased.
Also regards SRT sponsoring "Sim Raceway" their has been problems with "Sim Raceway" using modding community material without permission and charging subscribers for effectively content that is not their own and they do not have permission from the creators of it. This is an ongoing saga....
Some in the community see SRT in sponsoring "Sim Raceway" as an issue and it does seem to have people on forums commenting they are putting commericial prorities over community respect.
Heres some info on it...
Im not trying to discredit SRT as whats been pointed out is accurate but people can decide for themselves if indeed they are as "professional" as they could be or indeed moreso than other reputable places.
Demon made an example of their cred for reviews over other places and Demon referring to them as professionals or certainly more professional to conduct a FM3 review just because they have more sim experience. That may be the case but FM3 and GT5 will not be like proper sims and they should not be reviewed as such or have that expectancy so why does a reviewer have to have lots of previous PC sim experience to offer a credable review?
They should however be reviewed as console racing games and the mass market of players that although want sim aspects and a certain degree of accuracy/realisim they should not be criticised for not being like pure sims or indeed even compared against those.
SRT
Let me give you an example of how non professional sometimes SRT can be...
The recent impressive wheel shoootout they did and went to all the bother over even bringing in a 3rd guy to help with reviewing.
PC was used for testing not consoles for the following:
Oval Racing
Track Racing
Rally Racing
Now my question is how do you fairly conduct a review on these products on PC when ALL the products tested were used with the "Clubsport Pedals" as shown in the video.
Surely if doing a proper comparison each product would be reviewed with the pedals it is purchased with particulary when you are using actual "Race Times" as part of your review.
None of the ratings used the actual pedals each wheel is sold with which is just not an accurate way to fully or properly review them.
I think it is fair to assume that the scores/opinions/times/ratings may be effected had each wheel been reviewed/compared as it is purchased.
Also regards SRT sponsoring "Sim Raceway" their has been problems with "Sim Raceway" using modding community material without permission and charging subscribers for effectively content that is not their own and they do not have permission from the creators of it. This is an ongoing saga....
Some in the community see SRT in sponsoring "Sim Raceway" as an issue and it does seem to have people on forums commenting they are putting commericial prorities over community respect.
Heres some info on it...
Im not trying to discredit SRT as whats been pointed out is accurate but people can decide for themselves if indeed they are as "professional" as they could be or indeed moreso than other reputable places.
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LOLz "You just wouldn't let it lie"..
C'Mon man, stop clutching at straws..
The issue was, the subject of 'physics' came up, in the context of physics and racing games, PC Sims are regarded as being at the top of the tree..
So, I used an Inside Sim Racing review that was heavily centered around comparing FM3 to PC Sims to illustrate the simple point that FM3 was more then adequate in the physics department, as it stood up well to PC Sims according to that review.
That is all, plain and simple..
Of course, you have come along and are hell bent on trying to somehow discredit the review and reviewers based on some assumptions and tenuous logic that don't hold much water at all..
So to address your individual comments above.
1. In the context of assessing physics performance against the industry accepted 'best' (PC Sims), I still maintain the SRT review is about the only relevant review I can find.. If I wanted to know about the other aspects of the game in the context of video games, I don't have an issue with using any other review.
2. I agree that not using the individual pedals for a wheel shootout is odd, however, was the purpose of the review to review the actual wheel itself, or the wheel/pedal set? You seem to think they where capable of reviewing the G27, and e-mailed them to say this..
3. I absolutely have no issues in accepting that being sponsored by Sim Raceway etc is leading to them becoming more commercially driven etc, that's fine, and it's the way of the world. I've read the linked Virtual R article, and I'm now amazed that you could link that to them having an inability to review FM3?
I can see where this is heading
If you have lots of other reviews that can assess the physics from people that have experience in the PC Sim arena, and want to share, I think we can move on.. if you want to just harp on about how we should ignore SRT because they don't agree with your opinion, and spend time trawling the net for evidence of their inabilities as reviewers and how this must mean your opinion is more meaningful then theirs, knock yourself out, I've got better things to do with my time
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Didnt want an examanation of everything said and again your very defensive in your reply and yet again posting in an agressive manner..
The point was for general discussion, nobodys hell bent on anything why do you always resort to being mean on name calling or supposing things which arnt true? Again you come out with some fighting attitude and not once have I made a disrespectful remark to you yet in this thread if anythign your hellbent on discrediting me, regards "reputation comment", "fanboy","conspiracy theorist" etc. Its almost laughable but rather annoying at the same time.
FYI
I only watched the video review in full today of the "wheel shootout" and found it rather shocking how they conducted it. Im not condemning them but that was not good for such highly trained professionals you refer to? I point this out as you are quick to discredit other review places.
If anything its misleading to the products by really only reviewing the actual wheels and not as a complete package with the pedals and how they didnt see that as relevant is beyond me.
I dont need to search the web for mistakes they may or may not make Im only pointing out I dont think your comments that seem to have them seen as masters of reviewing racing games etc is fully supported.
Why are you again relating all this to a FM3 review and physics etc.
Its nothing to do with a FM3 review but is to do with your opinion of them being more professional or certainly better placed than other reviewers or online games websites. That comment I think is rather unfair particulary as many reviews are quite credible and dont need some full physics analysis, particulary with console games which are semi/sims
If anything Id take peoples opinions from online communities as they actually have forum reviews/discussions done by owners that would be much more credible and not commericially balanced.
Also regards my comments on the G27 review.
Thats an entirely different video review that they done and my email congratulating them. That was for them having one of the first reviews and showings of the G27. It was not only an excellent review but it was good to see them being able to position themselves with Logitech to get such an oppertunity no different than they have done in the past with Fanatec products with showcase exclusives.
That takes quite a bit of work dealing with companies and gaining that respect for them to support SRT. Darwin and Sean deserved some credit which I gave them...
My own concern is that thier lovable, comical ways and fact that yes they can make mistakes is only human and taken as semi serious. However I see in reading comments growing dislike for their shift in getting going more commericial and seen less as respected fanbased reviewers. Once that begins to become more aparent people will belive less in their reviews and again they could become no different to ign who you criticise yet maybe have reviewers who have played games most of their lives.
The Sim raceway sponsorship is not being seen as a good thing by some PC mod groups.
Its understandable if "Sim raceway" has some issues with R Factor mod groups and them looking to profit over material not created or belonging to them.
I-racing is entirely different as they create and licensce all their content.
From reading Ive done and comments made I think some would prefer SRT not to be involved with "Sim racing" as their are conflict of interests between its fans and that sponsor.
Its already tarnishing them, not by my own opinon but from some I see being made.
Me I see SRT as agreat resource but willing to take some things they say or review with a pinch of salt and hope they do put more effort into ensuring rewiews are done with more management that fulfills consumers needs and points of interest. I do hope however they are not stuck with priorities with sponsored brands/products.
The point was for general discussion, nobodys hell bent on anything why do you always resort to being mean on name calling or supposing things which arnt true? Again you come out with some fighting attitude and not once have I made a disrespectful remark to you yet in this thread if anythign your hellbent on discrediting me, regards "reputation comment", "fanboy","conspiracy theorist" etc. Its almost laughable but rather annoying at the same time.
FYI
I only watched the video review in full today of the "wheel shootout" and found it rather shocking how they conducted it. Im not condemning them but that was not good for such highly trained professionals you refer to? I point this out as you are quick to discredit other review places.
If anything its misleading to the products by really only reviewing the actual wheels and not as a complete package with the pedals and how they didnt see that as relevant is beyond me.
I dont need to search the web for mistakes they may or may not make Im only pointing out I dont think your comments that seem to have them seen as masters of reviewing racing games etc is fully supported.
Why are you again relating all this to a FM3 review and physics etc.
Its nothing to do with a FM3 review but is to do with your opinion of them being more professional or certainly better placed than other reviewers or online games websites. That comment I think is rather unfair particulary as many reviews are quite credible and dont need some full physics analysis, particulary with console games which are semi/sims
If anything Id take peoples opinions from online communities as they actually have forum reviews/discussions done by owners that would be much more credible and not commericially balanced.
Also regards my comments on the G27 review.
Thats an entirely different video review that they done and my email congratulating them. That was for them having one of the first reviews and showings of the G27. It was not only an excellent review but it was good to see them being able to position themselves with Logitech to get such an oppertunity no different than they have done in the past with Fanatec products with showcase exclusives.
That takes quite a bit of work dealing with companies and gaining that respect for them to support SRT. Darwin and Sean deserved some credit which I gave them...
My own concern is that thier lovable, comical ways and fact that yes they can make mistakes is only human and taken as semi serious. However I see in reading comments growing dislike for their shift in getting going more commericial and seen less as respected fanbased reviewers. Once that begins to become more aparent people will belive less in their reviews and again they could become no different to ign who you criticise yet maybe have reviewers who have played games most of their lives.
The Sim raceway sponsorship is not being seen as a good thing by some PC mod groups.
Its understandable if "Sim raceway" has some issues with R Factor mod groups and them looking to profit over material not created or belonging to them.
I-racing is entirely different as they create and licensce all their content.
From reading Ive done and comments made I think some would prefer SRT not to be involved with "Sim racing" as their are conflict of interests between its fans and that sponsor.
Its already tarnishing them, not by my own opinon but from some I see being made.
Me I see SRT as agreat resource but willing to take some things they say or review with a pinch of salt and hope they do put more effort into ensuring rewiews are done with more management that fulfills consumers needs and points of interest. I do hope however they are not stuck with priorities with sponsored brands/products.
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Not at all, you are trying to push a 'theory' about SRT on the rest of us, when all I'm treating it as is a review, unfortunately it's about the only review from such 'circles', so it seems to be getting more attention then it probably deserves.
Unfortunately whether you like to admit it or not, you came on here and posted some rather incredulous nonsense about how some guy on a forum said that SRT where biased against GT5 because they had reported tons and tons of FM3 information prior to release, but 'strangely' where posting nothing about GT5. The fact you did it with a straight face (i.e. calmly) has little bearing on things, and using a defensive posture of accusing me of being aggressive does not undermine the incredulity of your insinuation or it's extremely thinly veiled undertone of using it to discredit a review that you don't agree with.
Also, I'm not being agressive, that assumption is in your head, not mine, I'm discussing it, yes, it may appear blunt and lacking tolerance, but don't take it as a personal attack, you made some daft statements, expect a little ribbing.
Just to be fair, I've just checked out the start of the Pt2 of the Wheel shootout, and honestly, they spend nearly a minute going through the test setup, why they have one rig, one set of pedals, and its clear they are trying to isolate the wheel for a more direct comparison.. and just go on to their results.. How you can make that out to be misleading and 'shocking' is just plain weird..
You totally misunderstand my stance on SRT, I don't hold them as some super reviewers that are the only credible source of review information on the web, they just happen to be one of the very very few places that has done a review of FM3 from the angle of PC Sim racers.
No, you have it wrong, it is about an FM3 review and in particular it's physics, nothing more, nothing less..
If you can't see how they may offer an insight in to how a game stacks up in the context of PC Sims that IGN or others don't/can't/wont then I'm talking to a brick wall.
I have repeatedly stated that it's all about being one of the rare reviews that has particular emphasis on phsyics and simulation there-of, something the more casual game sites just gloss over in one sentance.
The really funny thing is, most reviews raved about the physics, so if I had a weak point to make I could pick from many casual reviews of the game and they'd still back up my point.
So they can do excellent reviews sometimes then? Sounds good.
I think you fail to seperate some obvious commercial leanings apart from their ability to review. People aren't complaining that they have become impartial because of their sponsorship, they are being accused of turning their back on the modding community (from the article you gave), which is quite different.
They have plenty of PS3 games reviewed and mentioned in plenty of recent shows, I'm sure GT5 will feature heavily once released, there is not one shred of evidence to remotely suggest that your initial theory of bias to FM3 (before you started on the deflectory discrediting stance) is remotely plausible..
Honestly, and I'll say it again, I made a simple mention of the review to quell an argument over physics, I wasn't making out FM3 was awesome, just merely OK even in the realms of PC Sims, and could only find 1 review in that context to use. I said I'm sure GT5 will also score highly..
You retorted with some nonsense about how they where effectively biased towards FM3 based on 'some forum guy', then went down the road of discrediting based on some article that now turns out to be about the modding community.
You then go on to say the Wheel shootout review was terrible and misleading because they didn't even use the supplied pedals with each wheel, only to find out that they spend ages going over the test setup, explaining the single pedal set rig, and in terms of isolating just the wheel for review, seems perfectly OK to me, but to you it's a clear sign of ineptness..
This isn't being aggressive, this is just not tolerating what seem to be very misguided comments based on very skewed hearsay and tenuously linked subject matter to form a very inappropriate conclusion.
And I feel I better just say it one last time....
I'm not saying that SRT are some super reviewers, or that they are the only credible source. I make the distinction that they are one of the only PC Sim related sites that has done a review of FM3 in context of PC Sims, with particular emphasis on physics etc, something that IGN and the like do not do, whether IGN are capable of this or not is irrelevant, they didn't do it for their review, which is why I say that SRT are more relevant when it comes to assessing physics against PC Sims..
You two should take this to email or something, don't think anyone else is bothered
The thread is dead anyway, so might as well just contain it in here!!
I cant be assed to read it neither, as he states things i didnt say and makes me feel like Im being interegated. He also misses the point being made even from the start when he jumped on the FM3 defensive bandwagon. Missed the point of community modding groups and SRT disrespecting their decision to promote as a sponsor a company that lied too and uses creative modding content from several modding groups to help profit "sim racing" even though these groups continuely asked for such content to be removed. Things like that wont go down well with communities.
How Demon can agree the likelyhood of commericialisation being a factor yet then dispute FM3 hasnt recieved more attention thus far and slanting that into some silly VS debate as my agenda instead of it being purly business based. Hes still at it doh!
Im NOT pusing a theory Im stating what may be a possibility and if others have began to notice?
Perhaps FM3 did get more attention so far from SRT simply because may I add that it was the time for FM3 to be promoted. Its nothing to do with them preferring one or the other but taking advantage of the commerical oppertunity at the time.
Yet i dont see why SRT deserve any more credit over other companies for reviews. I dont see why they should be looked upon no as any different yet Demon has because of thier history, yet doesnt know the individual history of actual reviewers elsewhere to make a song and dance about how well placed SRT are. Whys it important for FM3 to be reviewed from the perspective of a PC sim when clearly its nothing of the sort anyways?
This is not criticising them soley but Id question anyone who thinks previews/promotions and reviews are somethimes not swayed by business dealings.
SRT like others dont always make good calls on their reviews as the "wheel comparison" showed and I dont think they will differ much now in reviews over other websites and companies they rely on. Is it possible they have more responsabilities now in keeping their sponsers happy or indeed make profits from selling the very products they promote and review via their website? Would that be an influence? Would you bite the hand that feeds you?
By me relaying here what someone posted on the official USA PS3 forums regards their opinion that FM3 got plenty of plugging by the show. To Demon that is just a conspiracy and load of bull fuelled by somone with fanboy antics. To me it was as much of a sign as a business oppertunity to promote a product your genuinely interested in but also which has links to hardware you have privledges with and are selling. SRT were clearly on the promotional bandwagon and even made big claims about FM3 physics and Turbo S wheel at E3. Yet I remember some other very qualified people from PC sim based communities were not just as excited or amazed.
I also know for certain that FM3 at that time of E3 did not support all the features of the Turbo S wheel including 900 degrees and clutch or H-Shift as the build at E3 didnt support them (also a X360 system update was required for the wheels features to work). So would that not also be a factor in commenting on the games feel and physics from E3 and have any bearing on such seasoned PC sim professionals like SRT. Did SRT comment on these factors, I cant remember? Although how many here were blown away with the Demo of FM3 handling which again did not support at the time of its release all the features of the (Turbo S beta wheels) Would people here comment on it being the closest thing to a PC sim if not as good or agree with the comments SRT made at the time about how great it was.
Now nothings wrong SRT being really impressed or that they were invited to take part at the MS booth. Nothing wrong with them promoting and singing the praises of MS or Fanatec.
However they did have possible financial/business ties and its questionable if that is a factor in some peoples eyes or not. The issue is not a FM3 VS GT battle Demon keeps wanting to fuel. If they keep getting more commerical then im questioning does that not take away from their own true personal opinions and ability to fully review and comment on each product and indeed games without severing commericial ties and future stability.
Of course the clever thing to do is keep everyone happy and soften anything that you need to criticise within reviews. Isnt this a tactic done in all walks of promotional based work?
I would say look again at the wheel comparison which in the end they have great things to say about all the products, the Turbo S scores the best but then its not the one they totally all out recommend.
Its as if they wont/dont pick a true best product yet find good things in them all and that way they cleverly do not tarnish any reputation they have with those brands. Smart in a business sense particulary as your selling all those products but still I ask people reading this is that a proper review or "wheel shootout" ? Lets remember not only the pedals are not taken into account but also the actual shifters each wheel uses did not factor in this particular "shootout" Nothing about their individual feel, quality, noise, features, mounting and factors of sequential and H-shift support being avaible or indeed clutch. Furthermore they do not put any focus on consoles for this review which surely is a further disadvantage when reviewing?
I ask why that is and would that of made it harder to be less decisive?
By avoiding pedals/shifters in the comparions (seems madness for a shootout) is that more representative of a fully impartial in depth comparison to find the best and worst aspects of each product or is it softening a review to suit all parties and have no conclusive winner? Really is this any different to other websites, companies, magazines and programmes doing reviews?
They like others are likely to promote what is in their interest to promote, be it GT5 or FM3 or I-Racing etc. The importance is you take care in how and what you review depending on your established connections with that brand and how they effect your business and future. If they cant be too critical and conclusive towards future comparisons and I doubt come the time when a FM3 Vs GT5 comparison appears on SRT it will be much different. Then its only more evident they are indeed now too influenced with commericial links and business from them being affialites to many products and brands.
Money talk$
Demon thats my views you may or may not agree but please stop going on about FM3 Vs idea or me being against it.
If anything you wont let much criticisim of FM3 pass by you particulary the physics. Also why on earth your trying to compare FM3 to PC sims or the importance of it is beyond me and why should any reviewers need to have PC sim experience to properly review the game is taking things once again too far and quite absurd.
How Demon can agree the likelyhood of commericialisation being a factor yet then dispute FM3 hasnt recieved more attention thus far and slanting that into some silly VS debate as my agenda instead of it being purly business based. Hes still at it doh!
Im NOT pusing a theory Im stating what may be a possibility and if others have began to notice?
Perhaps FM3 did get more attention so far from SRT simply because may I add that it was the time for FM3 to be promoted. Its nothing to do with them preferring one or the other but taking advantage of the commerical oppertunity at the time.
Yet i dont see why SRT deserve any more credit over other companies for reviews. I dont see why they should be looked upon no as any different yet Demon has because of thier history, yet doesnt know the individual history of actual reviewers elsewhere to make a song and dance about how well placed SRT are. Whys it important for FM3 to be reviewed from the perspective of a PC sim when clearly its nothing of the sort anyways?
This is not criticising them soley but Id question anyone who thinks previews/promotions and reviews are somethimes not swayed by business dealings.
SRT like others dont always make good calls on their reviews as the "wheel comparison" showed and I dont think they will differ much now in reviews over other websites and companies they rely on. Is it possible they have more responsabilities now in keeping their sponsers happy or indeed make profits from selling the very products they promote and review via their website? Would that be an influence? Would you bite the hand that feeds you?
By me relaying here what someone posted on the official USA PS3 forums regards their opinion that FM3 got plenty of plugging by the show. To Demon that is just a conspiracy and load of bull fuelled by somone with fanboy antics. To me it was as much of a sign as a business oppertunity to promote a product your genuinely interested in but also which has links to hardware you have privledges with and are selling. SRT were clearly on the promotional bandwagon and even made big claims about FM3 physics and Turbo S wheel at E3. Yet I remember some other very qualified people from PC sim based communities were not just as excited or amazed.
I also know for certain that FM3 at that time of E3 did not support all the features of the Turbo S wheel including 900 degrees and clutch or H-Shift as the build at E3 didnt support them (also a X360 system update was required for the wheels features to work). So would that not also be a factor in commenting on the games feel and physics from E3 and have any bearing on such seasoned PC sim professionals like SRT. Did SRT comment on these factors, I cant remember? Although how many here were blown away with the Demo of FM3 handling which again did not support at the time of its release all the features of the (Turbo S beta wheels) Would people here comment on it being the closest thing to a PC sim if not as good or agree with the comments SRT made at the time about how great it was.
Now nothings wrong SRT being really impressed or that they were invited to take part at the MS booth. Nothing wrong with them promoting and singing the praises of MS or Fanatec.
However they did have possible financial/business ties and its questionable if that is a factor in some peoples eyes or not. The issue is not a FM3 VS GT battle Demon keeps wanting to fuel. If they keep getting more commerical then im questioning does that not take away from their own true personal opinions and ability to fully review and comment on each product and indeed games without severing commericial ties and future stability.
Of course the clever thing to do is keep everyone happy and soften anything that you need to criticise within reviews. Isnt this a tactic done in all walks of promotional based work?
I would say look again at the wheel comparison which in the end they have great things to say about all the products, the Turbo S scores the best but then its not the one they totally all out recommend.
Its as if they wont/dont pick a true best product yet find good things in them all and that way they cleverly do not tarnish any reputation they have with those brands. Smart in a business sense particulary as your selling all those products but still I ask people reading this is that a proper review or "wheel shootout" ? Lets remember not only the pedals are not taken into account but also the actual shifters each wheel uses did not factor in this particular "shootout" Nothing about their individual feel, quality, noise, features, mounting and factors of sequential and H-shift support being avaible or indeed clutch. Furthermore they do not put any focus on consoles for this review which surely is a further disadvantage when reviewing?
I ask why that is and would that of made it harder to be less decisive?
By avoiding pedals/shifters in the comparions (seems madness for a shootout) is that more representative of a fully impartial in depth comparison to find the best and worst aspects of each product or is it softening a review to suit all parties and have no conclusive winner? Really is this any different to other websites, companies, magazines and programmes doing reviews?
They like others are likely to promote what is in their interest to promote, be it GT5 or FM3 or I-Racing etc. The importance is you take care in how and what you review depending on your established connections with that brand and how they effect your business and future. If they cant be too critical and conclusive towards future comparisons and I doubt come the time when a FM3 Vs GT5 comparison appears on SRT it will be much different. Then its only more evident they are indeed now too influenced with commericial links and business from them being affialites to many products and brands.
Money talk$
Demon thats my views you may or may not agree but please stop going on about FM3 Vs idea or me being against it.
If anything you wont let much criticisim of FM3 pass by you particulary the physics. Also why on earth your trying to compare FM3 to PC sims or the importance of it is beyond me and why should any reviewers need to have PC sim experience to properly review the game is taking things once again too far and quite absurd.
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Can we just stop this and maybe get back on topic. 
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Having finally read that last reply I honestly don't know where you're going with it Mr Latte. It is coming across now as If you have to have the last word and I thought loads of what you said was way off the mark.
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Having finally read that last reply I honestly don't know where you're going with it Mr Latte. It is coming across now as If you have to have the last word and I thought loads of what you said was way off the mark.
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The thread is dead anyway, so might as well just contain it in here!!
The thread should either be closed, or yours and Latte's posts deleted TBH. Neither of you are doing yourself any favours with your overly long, and frankly unnecessary, posts.