Does GT5 look better than real life?

[Mr Latte]

Drexel, ive tried to ask you twice what control method you use and your time on the TT. Its a fair question to ask, want to let us know?

Ive not condoned FM3 handling, ive been very fair in my comments, if anything your making FM3 out to be much better and in particular im puzzled at your views of the 370Z being so bad which really has been praised by many regards the Pro Car. Is the 370Z in FM3 so much better and how?
Im going to have to try it to find out for myself....

Also regards Shift, its not as bad as some here made it out to be, however it clearly was much better with a wheel and properly configured than it was on pad.

Oh and comparisons DO NOT HAVE TO TURN INTO ROWS, cant it just be a topic of interest and comparison and whatever someon likes best thats fine with me. Im just trying to find out why and how in more detail.

 

[Mr Latte]

I'm sure GT5 will rate highly too, but before wildly dissing FM3 the above is interesting viewing.

As I read on a different forum where one guy commented on SRT being quite shall we say "Microsoft Friendly". They do seem quite prevy to freebies and getting lots of gear to review. Credit to them on achieving what they have. I know personally one company that felt thier product wasnt given a fair review against a brand/product that they just happen to sell on their own website.

Anyways this guy made a point that FM3 featured in their news/info a lot and yet GT5 with details of Head Tracking,1000 cars, Nascar, Rally, 3DTV etc hasnt had anywhere if hardly much focus or attention.

 

[sc(+)pe]

Anyways this guy made a point that FM3 featured in their news/info a lot and yet GT5 with details of Head Tracking,1000 cars, Nascar, Rally, 3DTV etc hasnt had anywhere if hardly much focus or attention.

Could that not also be down to how well each company (Turn10 & PD) handle press releases and such. If news coming from PD is as elusive as a final released date (sorry couldn't resist) then that could be a possibility on why one seems to be heavily featured and the other not.

Has their actually been an english press release from PD to confirm all the features (and theres plenty of them) of GT5 or are most not just translated from Japanese releases?

 

[Mr Latte]

Could that not also be down to how well each company (Turn10 & PD) handle press releases and such. If news coming from PD is as elusive as a final released date (sorry couldn't resist) then that could be a possibility on why one seems to be heavily featured and the other not.

Has their actually been an english press release from PD to confirm all the features (and theres plenty of them) of GT5 or are most not just translated from Japanese releases?

Well GT Planet/VirtualR and many other news forums discuss any announcements and are aware of these things as they are announced in interviews or from Trade shows etc.

We already know many things from previous trailers and photos released but it just doesnt seem to make their news section and for a group thats meant to be impartial (ahem i-racing heavily sponsored and featured no surprise) I think they should add in more news which isnt just from their sponsored brands etc. Some Ive talked to feel it is getting too commericalised and less actual fanbased.

 

[i-bert]

Either its fluke or they have tried to ensure not just the tracks but also car/tyre performance is close to real world. If its not fluke but designed as a simulation aspect thats quite a big thing to have such accuracy.

If they can do that then the GPS thingymabob would be useful in transferring realworld data into the game.
Im not so sure though it isnt just a fluke, need more track and game comparisons.

I mean if a guy does a lap of 1:25, then it won't look accurate will it? I could do the same for any game if it has the right car and track. They picked that lap because it was the closest, thats all.

I'm just saying don't go thinking that GT5 will be accurate to 1000/sec, because its just hype.

 

[Demon]

Well GT Planet/VirtualR and many other news forums discuss any announcements and are aware of these things as they are announced in interviews or from Trade shows etc.

We already know many things from previous trailers and photos released but it just doesnt seem to make their news section and for a group thats meant to be impartial (ahem i-racing heavily sponsored and featured no surprise) I think they should add in more news which isnt just from their sponsored brands etc. Some Ive talked to feel it is getting too commericalised and less actual fanbased.

I think your credibility has just nose dived. It's a site that focussed on PC racing primarily, they've only reviewed very recent console games, and explain this quite well in this review.

This whole conspiracy nonsense is just delusional fanboy twaddle, I expected better from you, but it seems GT5 just brings them all out the woodwork.

It's going to be a very good game, but man, the blind hype in some peoples heads is starting to get ridiculous.

 

[DreXeL]

Drexel, ive tried to ask you twice what control method you use and your time on the TT. Its a fair question to ask, want to let us know?

Um, I did reply. You might want to visit specsavers:

MS wheel on the 360 and DFP on the PS3. Not the best wheels, granted.

As far as not pushing the car, well that's the point, I've been pushing the car to and past it's limits to explore the handling/physics characteristics, hence my comments on drifting

Ive not condoned FM3 handling, ive been very fair in my comments, if anything your making FM3 out to be much better and in particular im puzzled at your views of the 370Z being so bad which really has been praised by many regards the Pro Car. Is the 370Z in FM3 so much better and how?
Im going to have to try it to find out for myself....

Why do I have to repeat myself? I've said TWICE in great detail about why I think the physics feel better in FM3. Also, I haven't said the physics of GT5 are 'bad', I've said they aren't on a par with FM3 and I find them slightly disappointing.

Also regards Shift, its not as bad as some here made it out to be, however it clearly was much better with a wheel and properly configured than it was on pad.

I thought Shift was mostly terrible, but we'll have to agree to disagree on that one, I'm not going to go there again

Oh and comparisons DO NOT HAVE TO TURN INTO ROWS, cant it just be a topic of interest and comparison and whatever someon likes best thats fine with me. Im just trying to find out why and how in more detail.

Indeed, and FWIW I don't think this has turned into a row

 

[Mr Latte]

I mean if a guy does a lap of 1:25, then it won't look accurate will it? I could do the same for any game if it has the right car and track. They picked that lap because it was the closest, thats all.

I'm just saying don't go thinking that GT5 will be accurate to 1000/sec, because its just hype.

If you actually read what im saying and previously pointed out on post no.40 Youll find Im already sceptical of the GPS/Tracking feature and the whole matter of real world and the game having much accuracy. Ive actually pointed out in post no. 40 the feature could be nothing more than PR facility.
You see I CAN criticise GT!

By the way Im not having a row with anyone...

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Regards credability ive expressed a comment not made by me but by somone on another forum regards how GT has had very liitle news/coverage on the SRT show.
I would say from memory that indeed it maybe hasnt featured much in their news yet X360 platform/games have and FM3 in particular even from E3 last year.
Isnt it odd that GT hasnt had hardly a mention yet with 5 years development and its one of the most anticipated driving games in years?
Thats not a conspiracy its a simple query of interest and when I read it I thought , well the guy does have a point.

Anyone that watches the show will know its NOT just PC based at all and even their reviews of hardware regulary focus on Console gamers.
I dont however think Im wrong in commenting what ive read on other forums regards sponsors products of the show getting much more focus (in particular i-racing)

That doesnt mean I condone or agree with it but would say ive noticed it as well with a move more towards commericial oppertunities.

DreXel
Sorry didnt see the post you made for some reason regards wheel. (maybe something to do with you editing it at 19:07)
Nothing wrong with the wheels your using, heck at least your using wheels which makes a big difference.
Still you didnt post what level of times you were able to get, as in your own words
"As far as not pushing the car, well that's the point, I've been pushing the car to and past it's limits to explore the handling/physics characteristics, hence my comments on drifting"
Top 20,50,100 or were you much of the pace?

 

[Eliot]

This thread somes up my annoyance with a select breed of gt5 fanboy perfectly does gt5 look better than real life? what you have there is a claim the gran turismo is spool good it does te impossible Either you need to clear your car windscreen or you have never left your gt games . Life has been HD a while now and 3d also ( for those with two eyes)

 

[msmalls74]

This thread somes up my annoyance with a select breed of gt5 fanboy perfectly does gt5 look better than real life? what you have there is a claim the gran turismo is spool good it does te impossible Either you need to clear your car windscreen or you have never left your gt games . Life has been HD a while now and 3d also ( for those with two eyes)

To me it was a usual hyperbole statement that has been used time and again in other publications, obviously it doesnt and cannot look better than real life, Im sure the OP didnt mean it to be taken as a literal fact ( i hope not anyway lol).

As for percieved media bias against GT5, which could be true in some areas, hey have this nice big setup if your nice about our game. It works both ways if you read the Top Gear preview about Forza 3 they state,

When things go a bit pear-shaped, the impacts feel nice and solid. But strangely enough, when things are going smoothly, it can feel a bit too, well, smooth. It almost feels like you're driving some kind of magic carpet, hovering just above the track itself. A real feeling of movement and feedback is difficult for a game to accurately create, admittedly, but we couldn't help but feel slightly detached.

. No surprise that a game heavily linked with TG doesnt quite get as a glowing report as somewhere more MS friendly. Thats the way it works now, the only way to have a true opinion on each game is to play them both and make your own mind up.

 

[Dyson]

This thread somes up my annoyance with a select breed of gt5 fanboy perfectly does gt5 look better than real life? what you have there is a claim the gran turismo is spool good it does te impossible Either you need to clear your car windscreen or you have never left your gt games . Life has been HD a while now and 3d also ( for those with two eyes)

Must say that I can't see how GT5 looks better than real life, not even as good as, imo...

 

[Demon]

Regards credability ive expressed a comment not made by me but by somone on another forum regards how GT has had very liitle news/coverage on the SRT show.

I would say from memory that indeed it maybe hasnt featured much in their news yet X360 platform/games have and FM3 in particular even from E3 last year.

Isnt it odd that GT hasnt had hardly a mention yet with 5 years development and its one of the most anticipated driving games in years?
Thats not a conspiracy its a simple query of interest and when I read it I thought , well the guy does have a point.

So you found a comment by another deluded conspiracy nut (no doubt someone who is also a GT5 Fanboy to the core?), Not hard to do for any subject.

Just a few points of actual 'fact'.

- When they did the FM3 overview at E3, they specifically made a point of mentioning how they had come expecting to get some time on GT5, but it wasn't there!, it's in their video!

- They did state quite clearly that they'd always seen consoles as not being 'sim racing' titles to the table, but after their FM2/GT5p head to head (where FM2 only just pipped GT5p because of it being a 'full game') it peaked their interest, and so they where going to start including more and more console stuff in future.. In fact they then went on to mention Race Pro being the next title they reviewed..

- They aren't a game 'news' site, they are a review site of sorts with minor news, hell, one of the presenters admits to having a thing for GT several times, and lo and behold looking at their front page and recent video's, http://www.insidesimracing.tv/videos/section/2 ypu see plenty of PS3 / PSP stuff.... oddly it's all 'reviews' of actual released stuff..

Anyone that watches the show will know its NOT just PC based at all and even their reviews of hardware regulary focus on Console gamers.
I dont however think Im wrong in commenting what ive read on other forums regards sponsors products of the show getting much more focus (in particular i-racing)

That doesnt mean I condone or agree with it but would say ive noticed it as well with a move more towards commericial oppertunities.

I think the fact they've recently started reviewing console stuff has been well explained above (sourced from their own comments, not some forum conspiricist).

And, Of course you'd expect something sponsored by iRacing to be pushed, thats what sponsorship entails..
However, to just assume wildly that it influences everything they do at a review level is absurd.

Bottom line, look at their top sim cars..
http://www.insidesimracing.tv/topsimcars

They don't seem to deviate from this list when reviewing either, with iRacing only have 3/20 entries in that table..

I certainly trust them 1000% more then a site like IGN or Topgear to review a sim-racing game against it's peers..

 

[Nismo]

GT5 threads should be banned until it actually gets released :/

 

[Demon]

GT5 threads should be banned until it actually gets released :/

They are fine as they are, but you can't expect all these wild claims to go unchallenged, even if a 'debate' does ensue from them..

 

[Calabi]

It doesnt look as if they've used HDR in GT5, it looks kind of lifeless and dull.

 

[dunker]

would look better with more road specularity, maybe it's just not showing up in the images.
and yeah HDR looks too weak, it needs more contrast. so no it does'nt look BTL imo.

 

[Demon]

would look better with more road specularity, maybe it's just not showing up in the images.
and yeah HDR looks too weak, it needs more contrast. so no it does'nt look BTL imo.

There is obviously room for improvement in all games, but dang, PD have done a top notch job on making it look closer to reality then any other game I can think of!..

Credit where credit is due, it's not 'better then real life' by some degree, but it's not too shabby now is it?

 

[dunker]

yeah looks good and if i had a PS3 it would be at the top of my to buy list, it'll prolly look better once they finish polishing it.

 

[Mr Latte]

Demon

This is going too far and its obvious your such a fan of the show.

What part of me commenting what I seen someone else post and relayed that here do you not understand! It was someones opinion, so how do you come up with calling it some form of, conspiracy?

I did say....
The show was getting more commericialised which is clear.
However and my personal view on that is a possibility "some reviews" could become swayed, no different to ign or other forms. The sponsors help pay the bills and its not often you bite the hand that feeds you particulary if that company is offering you commission on sales via your website. I refer to this not directly just to "SRT" but a way in how business is.

Again let me point out what I said earlier,
That doesnt mean I condone or agree with it but would say ive noticed it as well with a move more towards commericial oppertunities than general racing games news/info. Ive nothing against Darin or indeed Sean and have praised their work several times on GTF particulary with the G27 scoop and review. I even emailed them to congratulate them on it at the time.

By all means start reading comments people make on Robs site at "Virtual R" which I can tell you "Darin" reads. Quite often I see remarks about how SRT seems to be changing and others have voiced their opinions, conspiracy, no but individuals commenting yes...

Regards GT5 news and info yes they arnt strictly a news site but as the cover most formats, couldnt the show improve in "Console & PC Racing News"
I gurantee you viewers would enjoy more updates on games like R-Factor 2 and GT5 as one "sponsored game" getting a majority of the coverage.

 

[thecremeegg]

I hope people understand that I wasn't being serious in the thread title