Does something need to be done about dogs?

[sidimmu]

More smooth brain posting. You've challenged my post so of course I'm going to defend it. Again, use your brain man! Come on!

Stating there's another one isn't pointless, it highlights a continuing unactioned problem that some individuals are in complete denial of. Like the person who challenged the number of attacks then ran off like a whipped pup when they were given the government's own statistics. Weirdly they've not been back in the thread...or yourself for example with your weird rambling anecdote above.

I challenged the reason to your post, to which your justification is basically saying "its happened on an individual level again, this is a national issue that needs addressing" LOL

I dont think anyone is in denial about how dogs can be dangerous, its very apparent a number of people understand those risks in this thread.

It is pointless to just link to another news story, especially when all it shows is a dog attack and a regular citizen being there to kill the dog. No context of a number of things which could paint this story in a different light.

Also, I am sorry Forum Jesus for not being a part of this frankly embarrassing circle jerking slideshow of a thread you have created and decided to take a large number of posts off, how absolutely shameful of me. Grow up.

 

[ttaskmaster]

I'm perfectly welcome within my own thread to record further instances of harm to people by violent and dangerous dogs.

What about dogs that are not inherrently violent and dangerous, but were placed in dangerous situations by irresponsibe owners, for example as seen in a large percentage of the death statistics where babies and young children were left alone with dogs?

 

[C Kent]

What about dogs that are not inherrently violent and dangerous, but were placed in dangerous situations by irresponsibe owners, for example as seen in a large percentage of the death statistics where babies and young children were left alone with dogs?

So the dangerous scenarios are that just purely leaving them unattended around defenseless human beings will result in said dogs mauling them? I don't think you've thought that through..

 

[sidimmu]

So the dangerous scenarios are that just purely leaving them unattended around defenseless human beings will result in said dogs mauling them? I don't think you've thought that through..

Without getting too much in to it....
I think again what he is trying to say like a fair few of us have said before too....

Its not purely leaving dogs unattended with weak humans which result in getting them killed.
Its humans that have not trained or bought up their dog correctly, then leave their dog in risky situations with risky humans which then result in a tragic or unwanted situation.

 

[VincentHanna]

So the dangerous scenarios are that just purely leaving them unattended around defenseless human beings will result in said dogs mauling them? I don't think you've thought that through..

No.

But young kids don't know any better, so they pull dogs tails and poke their eyes and do all sorts of things that could cause even a nice dog to lash out in pain.

 

[ttaskmaster]

So the dangerous scenarios are that just purely leaving them unattended around defenseless human beings will result in said dogs mauling them? I don't think you've thought that through..

What exactly is there to think about?
It's one of the cardinal rules of dog ownership - You never leave ANY dog unattended with young children.
I'm not just talking XL Bullies either, as it's often been smaller dogs like Jack Russells, too.

 

[Foghorn Leghorn]

No.

But young kids don't know any better, so they pull dogs tails and poke their eyes and do all sorts of things that could cause even a nice dog to lash out in pain.

Especially if the dog is snoozing in it's bed when it gets clonked round the head with a plastic toy

 

[VincentHanna]

Especially if the dog is snoozing in it's bed when it gets clonked round the head with a plastic toy

Yeah, I've seen that myself and mentioned it here:

My Vizsla snapped at my Labrador the other day, but luckily I was right there to see why:

I was sitting on my small 2 seater sofa playing a game, the Vizsla was in a deep sleep next to me on a throw. There was no more room on it.

The Labrador who had been asleep on the carpet randomly decided to try and get on the sofa where the Vizsla was asleep, and I imagine what the Vizsla saw when waking from her deep sleep was a huge black figure towering over her, and just snarled and lunged suddenly at the Labrador, with her teeth showing.

 

[C Kent]

What exactly is there to think about?
It's one of the cardinal rules of dog ownership - You never leave ANY dog unattended with young children.
I'm not just talking XL Bullies either, as it's often been smaller dogs like Jack Russells, too.

And why is that? Could it possibly be that even the most well-trained, docile animal can turn on someone in an instance maybe?

 

[sidimmu]

And why is that? Could it possibly be that even the most well-trained, docile animal can turn on someone in an instance maybe?

Common sense that humans are scum bags and push the limits and boundaries of everything and everyone, regardless how nice or kind something may be.
Also that children know zero boundaries and have zero idea of pressure/pain that they can cause.

Also, funny enough a lot of humans react in the same way when they have their boundaries crossed, taken advantage of, physically attacked or bullied as such, most humans lash out in a violent manner, sort of the same way as most Mammals....

 

[ttaskmaster]

And why is that? Could it possibly be that even the most well-trained, docile animal can turn on someone in an instance maybe?

Don't be so obtuse.
Animals generally don't "suddenly turn" on someone. There will be something that 'someone' has done which the animal has considered a threat.
Most adults understand why they shouldn't do certain things to animals but, as already explained, kids don't have that level of learning so are unsafe to leave unsupervised.

 

[C Kent]

Don't be so obtuse.
Animals generally don't "suddenly turn" on someone. There will be something that 'someone' has done which the animal has considered a threat.
Most adults understand why they shouldn't do certain things to animals but, as already explained, kids don't have that level of learning so are unsafe to leave unsupervised.

oh no my bad, it's usually "pulling their tail" or "standing near them when they wake up" or "a plastic toy thrown at them" that causes their animal instinct to kick in and decide to chew a few fingers off or worse. I certainly know that if a small child did those things to me, I'd be throwing against a wall and kicking the snot out of them

 

[VincentHanna]

Maybe we should ban parents, they seem to kill just as many children in the UK as dogs

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[Foghorn Leghorn]

oh no my bad, it's usually "pulling their tail" or "standing near them when they wake up" or "a plastic toy thrown at them" that causes their animal instinct to kick in and decide to chew a few fingers off or worse. I certainly know that if a small child did those things to me, I'd be throwing against a wall and kicking the snot out of them

It's not that hard to understand, all animals have tolerance levels (including humans) and these vary (swing wildly would be more appropriate, based on my wifes' mood from day to day )

Ever been woken abruptly from sleep? dazed, confused, wondering what the **** is going on? doesn't just happen to us. Don't leave your kids alone with animals, it's for the safety of the kids AND the animals.

 

[Doobedoo]

This thread is the gift that keeps on giving lol.

 

[C Kent]

Maybe we should ban parents, they seem to kill just as many children in the UK as dogs

Statistics about child deaths due to abuse or neglect | NSPCC Learning

This briefing looks at what data and statistics are available about child deaths due to abuse and neglect, to help professionals make evidence-based decisions about keeping children safe.

learning.nspcc.org.uk

Bit of a difference when comparing the actions of a dog to a human being, and tbh I'd have no problems with 'putting a parent down' if they kill a child.

 

[Doobedoo]

Bit of a difference when comparing the actions of a dog to a human being, and tbh I'd have no problems with 'putting a parent down' if they kill a child.

What is the point you’re making?

 

[VincentHanna]

Bit of a difference when comparing the actions of a dog to a human being, and tbh I'd have no problems with 'putting a parent down' if they kill a child.

And I don't think anyone has much of an issue with putting dogs down that have killed a child either.

Wouldn't ban them though.

 

[C Kent]

What is the point you’re making?

A dog isn't a rational thinking being, it acts through instinct that no amount of training can remove so to speak

 

[ttaskmaster]

oh no my bad, it's usually "pulling their tail" or "standing near them when they wake up" or "a plastic toy thrown at them" that causes their animal instinct to kick in and decide to chew a few fingers off or worse. I certainly know that if a small child did those things to me, I'd be throwing against a wall and kicking the snot out of them

It's also understanding that animals (not just dogs, by the way) won't always understand what this small, screaming, flailing creature is, and that its behaviour isn't a threat, especially dogs with a high prey drive like Jack Russells.
Or do you somehow expect animals to have the same level of comprehension as you?

I wouldn't be surprised if you did start throwing your kid around just for crying, although you'd not be the first to do that...

A dog isn't a rational thinking being, it acts through instinct that no amount of training can remove so to speak

So is a child.
Heck, many humans aren't rational thinkers as, with ^this knowledge, why would any parent leave their kid and their dog together unattended...?

Furthermore, in light of this stupidity, many studies have asserted that the majority of dog attacks and kills were both predictable and preventable. So again, we're back to humans being primarily at fault.