Does something need to be done about dogs?

Graetzbridge · 22 Apr 2022 at 20:58

Dis86 said:
No, we're discussing licenses. It's a license. Go on, make that mental leap. You can do it.

Motor vehicles are not dogs. Stick to the topic.

Dis86 · 22 Apr 2022 at 20:59

Graetzbridge said:
Motor vehicles are not dogs. Stick to the topic.

Licenses are licenses. Apologies if your single digit IQ is struggling with that. I mean I literally can't make it any clearer really.

Voltar · 22 Apr 2022 at 21:03

hyperseven said:
Where are you getting that data from?

Anecdotal rather than taken from a census if you will. I just notice it when being about and about in lots of different places.

Graetzbridge · 22 Apr 2022 at 21:06

Dis86 said:
Licenses are licenses. Apologies if your single digit IQ is struggling with that. I mean I literally can't make it any clearer really.

I think you are taking the pish. And being offensive.

dlockers · 22 Apr 2022 at 21:08

Dis86 said:
Licenses are licenses. Apologies if your single digit IQ is struggling with that. I mean I literally can't make it any clearer really.

That's pretty low IQ posting tbh. Fishing license is totally different to a driving license. The consequences of getting it wrong, the prospect of getting caught, etc.

Dis86 · 22 Apr 2022 at 21:09

Graetzbridge said:
I think you are taking the pish. And being offensive.

And I can't say what I think of you, you'd likely cry.

Dis86 · 22 Apr 2022 at 21:09

dLockers said:
That's pretty low IQ posting tbh. Fishing license is totally different to a driving license. The consequences of getting it wrong, the prospect of getting caught, etc.

Not really. Think about what the purpose of a license is.

Tefal · 22 Apr 2022 at 21:09

Graetzbridge said:
Motor vehicles are not dogs. Stick to the topic.

You can see his point though right? In order to be alowed to use a potentially dangerous peice of equipment in public you must undertake basic training or pass a test proving you are capable of doing so safely.

A dog is certainly a potentialy dangerous peice of equipment, biological rather than mechanical, but used in industry, law enforcement and military sectors too. Undergoing compulsary basic training or passing a test before being in charge of one in public would be a good idea.

Especially as say lack of maintainence harms a dog much more than it does a car or a 125cc

dlockers · 22 Apr 2022 at 21:11

Dis86 said:
Not really. Think about what the purpose of a license is.

Keep going - and use my fishing license example

Tefal · 22 Apr 2022 at 21:12

dLockers said:
Keep going - and use my fishing license example

A fishing license is important to alow for the monitoring and maintaining of the welfare of the animals in the waters, a dog license is important to alow for monitoring and maintaining the welfare of dogs?

That work for ya?

Obviously more comparable ones would be car license, crane/forklift etc license, electrical certifications, gas safe etc as they are more focused on the risk of the equipment and operators skills etc but a dog license could be used as a welfare tool so some cross over with the fish molesters

dlockers · 22 Apr 2022 at 21:13

Tefal said:
A fishing license is important to alow for the monitoring and maintaining of the welfare of the animals in the waters, a dog license is important to alow for monitoring and maintaining the welfare of dogs?

That work for ya?

And how does paying 17 quid online and getting a piece of paper do any of that? :cry:

Dis86 · 22 Apr 2022 at 21:13

Tefal said:
You can see his point though right? In order to be alowed to use a potentially dangerous peice of equipment in public you must undertake basic training or pass a test proving you are capable of doing so safely.

A dog is certainly a potentialy dangerous peice of equipment, biological rather than mechanical, but used in industry, law enforcement and military sectors too. Undergoing compulsary basic training or passing a test before being in charge of one in public would be a good idea.

Especially as say lack of maintainence harms a dog much more than it does a car or a 125cc

No, he literally cannot grasp it. Seemingly nor can dlockers!

Dis86 · 22 Apr 2022 at 21:15

dLockers said:
And how does paying 17 quid online and getting a piece of paper do any of that?

Because it is an extra step. By taking even a small step like that you are showing a level of responsibility in an of itself. Couple it with a competency test, whether written or practical and you're off to a winner!

dlockers · 22 Apr 2022 at 21:17

Dis86 said:
Couple it with a competency test, whether written or practical and you're off to a winner!

Gotcha,

Dis86 said:
Licenses are licenses.

Wait, what

Tefal · 22 Apr 2022 at 21:19

dLockers said:
And how does paying 17 quid online and getting a piece of paper do any of that?

Monitors and limits numbers to prevent over fishing.

Provides an immediate legal opertunity for people without licenses to be removed unlike a "permision" system.

By making it a criminal situation police can get involved more easily and quickly to move on trouble makers.

So for dogs that would be things like having insurance, the removal of your license for violating terms allowing dog to be seized, or if you don't have a license dog can be taken then and there and secured immediately this deals woth the "irresponsible owners who just won't bother" more quickly than current civil proceedings

But yeah like I said it's more akin to a safety license than an animal welfare license.

hyperseven · 22 Apr 2022 at 21:21

Voltar said:
Anecdotal rather than taken from a census if you will. I just notice it when being about and about in lots of different places.

So when you stated, 'Dog ownership in the UK is disproportionately high when compared with other countries.' You have no idea if that is true and just made it up :confused:

Graetzbridge · 22 Apr 2022 at 21:21

Tefal said:
You can see his point though right? In order to be alowed to use a potentially dangerous peice of equipment in public you must undertake basic training or pass a test proving you are capable of doing so safely.

A dog is certainly a potentialy dangerous peice of equipment, biological rather than mechanical, but used in industry, law enforcement and military sectors too. Undergoing compulsary basic training or passing a test before being in charge of one in public would be a good idea.

Especially as say lack of maintainence harms a dog much more than it does a car or a 125cc

A responsible owner would know what the dog needs - what ever restraints are requited without the need for a licence. The irresponsible owners wouldn't one anyway.

dlockers · 22 Apr 2022 at 21:23

Tefal said:
Monitors and limits numbers to prevent over fishing.

Provides an immediate legal opertunity for people without licenses to be removed unlike a "permision" system.

By making it a criminal situation police can get involved more easily and quickly to move on trouble makers

The argument was licenses are licenses. I don't doubt they can put in effect and lead to the benefits you are saying (driving licenses), but the poster who said licenses won't work because those who disobey will disobey regardless is totally true.

hyperseven said:
So when you stated, 'Dog ownership in the UK is disproportionately high when compared with other countries.' You have no idea if that is true and just made it up

welcome to OCUK 2022

I *feel* it therefore *it must be*

Dis86 · 22 Apr 2022 at 21:23

Graetzbridge said:
A responsible owner would know what the dog needs - what ever restraints are requited without the need for a licence. The irresponsible owners wouldn't one anyway.

So again...should we scrap driving licenses then?

Dis86 · 22 Apr 2022 at 21:23

dLockers said:
The argument was licenses are licenses. I don't doubt they can put in effect and lead to the benefits you are saying (driving licenses), but the poster who said licenses won't work because those who disobey will disobey regardless is totally true.

welcome to OCUK 2022

I *feel* it therefore *it must be*

So then why do we have licenses for anything?