Does something need to be done about dogs?

Parsley said:
Well it happened to us today, a friend was walking him for me, something I feel incredibly guilty about as I should have been there to get in the way. A mastiff looking cross decided to try and take a chunk out of his leg, ended up degloving around the underside of his thigh and where you can see the stiches from surgery today. Fortunately no puncture wounds that could be found, it's all surface. I'm glad he's relatively substantial for his size as it meant he couldn't be ragged.

It's not a fun experience to get a phone call saying your dog has been seriously bitten and to come quick. Thinking the worst the entire way. It's fortunate the wound is more... nasty than it is fatal. I can't imagine the pain that comes from it, but he let me carry him and take him to close vet to triage him before I took him to his actual vets, their ability to just deal with the pain is really something.

A small woman walking her sons two year old mastiff cross, or whatever it was. It's crazy how little thought or consideration people just have... for anything. The dog looked like it weighed as much as she did.

We do have access to CCTV from next to where it happened with my dog being the one attacked. The police aren't interested though as it's dog on dog. Have been "promised" they'll reimburse us for his care, but I somehow doubt that will happen with current prices. The pet insurance has made itself useful for once though.

Apologies if the post is a bit disjointed. It has been a bit of a day. At least he is back home zonked out on painkillers now. (The image shouldn't be too much but tell me off if it is, I won't be showing the before photo).

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That's absolutely horrible mate, your poor dog. My dog was attacked about 6 months ago, was absolutely horrific seeing this monster which I think was an XL Bully going for her as soon as we turned the corner it went for like a beast possessed. I absolutely froze. Fortunately while my dog had a small cut that bled it wasn't anywhere near as bad as yours. The owner manager to jump in calling his dog a '********' as he pulled it off mine. I was really shaken up and drank myself silly that night. I read that a dog with similar feature bit a small girls lip off about 1/4 of a mile from there, which makes me think it's the same dog. I also think I saw the dog, now with a muzzle. I still backtracked not wanting to go anywhere near it.

On another note, I like your kitchen cabinets
 
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ttaskmaster said:
If they're too badly behaved, neither should be present yet and you need to work on raising their standards. But at the same time, those receptive enough benefit greatly.

The dog needs to experience the environment and associate it with being well behaved. They do differentiate between the different environments and you have to condition them to it, otherwise the first few times they go somewhere new like that they get overwhelmed by everything and act out.
This conditioning starts in the training classes under controlled conditions, but the groundwork prepares them (and you) for the live environment - You also practice things like road walking, so they don't get startled by cars, and moving through areas such as restaurants, picnic parks etc, so they don't get drawn away by the availability of food. Our instructor even does lessons where they're conditioned to pay no attention to unattended food or food offered to them by someone else (kids like to do this).

With children, it's more about putting them into an adult environment and letting them be led by example. Adult interaction is a very important part of a child's mental and linguistic development, and both my kids have been bumped up a year due to their advancement in communication skills and understanding of the social world around them. They're extremely well behaved, especially compared to those of their peers who spend far less time around adults.
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We agree. Stupid people, their unwieldy dogs (and children) shouldn't be allowed in public. Yet our society just encourages fecklessness

E: Training "classes", that's just shorthand for "I shouldn't have a dog"
 
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ANDREW GREEN said:
That's absolutely horrible mate, your poor dog. My dog was attacked about 6 months ago, was absolutely horrific seeing this monster which I think was an XL Bully going for her as soon as we turned the corner it went for like a beast possessed. I absolutely froze. Fortunately while my dog had a small cut that bled it wasn't anywhere near as bad as yours. The owner manager to jump in calling his dog a '********' as he pulled it off mine. I was really shaken up and drank myself silly that night. I read that a dog with similar feature bit a small girls lip off about 1/4 of a mile from there, which makes me think it's the same dog. I also think I saw the dog, now with a muzzle. I still backtracked not wanting to go anywhere near it.

On another note, I like your kitchen cabinets
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I've thought about carry a pen knife (legal) for this very reason. There's some right rough sorts around here and I'd be broken if something happened to my boy
 
d_brennen said:
We agree. Stupid people, their unwieldy dogs (and children) shouldn't be allowed in public. Yet our society just encourages fecklessness
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Well yeah, there has to be common sense and common courtesy. You don't just take your kid/dog to such places when they're not ready for it.

d_brennen said:
E: Training "classes", that's just shorthand for "I shouldn't have a dog"
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How so?
Where else is an owner able to expose and socialise their dog to other dogs and other humans, in a structured, controlled environment?
Where else is an owner able to get bespoke, affordable advice and guidance from a professional... bearing in mind that even if you're an absolute expert, an additional external perspective is always beneficial?
Where else is an owner able to get recognised certification that they are a responsible owner who has some semblance of knowing what they (and their dog) are doing?

Classes provide many things that you just don't get as an isolated individual.
Besides, it's fun for the dogs too!

It's like saying NCT classes are shorthand for "I shouldn't have gotten pregnant"....

413x said:
I've thought about carry a pen knife (legal) for this very reason. There's some right rough sorts around here and I'd be broken if something happened to my boy
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Not legal if it can be proven you're carrying it with the intent of doing harm (which you just did with ^this post).
Also, as previously pointed out, if something kicks off you'd struggle to get the knife out and unfolded in time to make use of it, and you're more likely to end up hurting yourself or an unintended target with it.
 
ttaskmaster said:
Well yeah, there has to be common sense and common courtesy. You don't just take your kid/dog to such places when they're not ready for it.


How so?
Where else is an owner able to expose and socialise their dog to other dogs and other humans, in a structured, controlled environment?
Where else is an owner able to get bespoke, affordable advice and guidance from a professional... bearing in mind that even if you're an absolute expert, an additional external perspective is always beneficial?
Where else is an owner able to get recognised certification that they are a responsible owner who has some semblance of knowing what they (and their dog) are doing?

Classes provide many things that you just don't get as an isolated individual.
Besides, it's fun for the dogs too!

It's like saying NCT classes are shorthand for "I shouldn't have gotten pregnant"....


Not legal if it can be proven you're carrying it with the intent of doing harm (which you just did with ^this post).
Also, as previously pointed out, if something kicks off you'd struggle to get the knife out and unfolded in time to make use of it, and you're more likely to end up hurting yourself or an unintended target with it.
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I'd have more of a chance with it than without it on a dog as big as one that nobody can stop killing a person.
 
413x said:
I'd have more of a chance with it than without it on a dog as big as one that nobody can stop killing a person.
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There are better options, especially for those who aren't highly trained pocket-knife street fighters, which are less likely to land you in legal trouble.
You still face the issue of carrying with intent, which is why I won't specify them here, but they'd be more effective than a 3" folder and less likely to chop your own fingers off.
 
Parsley said:
Well it happened to us today, a friend was walking him for me, something I feel incredibly guilty about as I should have been there to get in the way. A mastiff looking cross decided to try and take a chunk out of his leg, ended up degloving around the underside of his thigh and where you can see the stiches from surgery today. Fortunately no puncture wounds that could be found, it's all surface. I'm glad he's relatively substantial for his size as it meant he couldn't be ragged.

It's not a fun experience to get a phone call saying your dog has been seriously bitten and to come quick. Thinking the worst the entire way. It's fortunate the wound is more... nasty than it is fatal. I can't imagine the pain that comes from it, but he let me carry him and take him to a closer vet to triage him before I took him to his actual vets, their ability to just deal with the pain is really something.

A small woman walking her sons two year old mastiff cross, or whatever it was. It's crazy how little thought or consideration people just have... for anything. The dog looked like it weighed as much as she did.

We do have access to CCTV from next to where it happened with my dog being the one attacked. The police aren't interested though as it's dog on dog. Have been "promised" they'll reimburse us for his care, but I somehow doubt that will happen with current prices. The pet insurance has made itself useful for once though.

Apologies if the post is a bit disjointed. It has been a bit of a day. At least he is back home zonked out on painkillers now. (The image shouldn't be too much but tell me off if it is, I won't be showing the before photo).

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Oh the poor pup! Looks painful :(

Awful for you too.

I hope he gets better quickly and makes a full recovery.
 
413x said:
I've thought about carry a pen knife (legal) for this very reason. There's some right rough sorts around here and I'd be broken if something happened to my boy
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Personally I have a radar where I will backtrack or take a wide circuit around it if I see what I think could be an anti social dog. Any bully/pitbull/bullterrior and I'm staying well out of it's way

On another note, my female dog is very popular at the moment as she's in season. So I have another problem of trying to stop male dogs from mounting her
 
ttaskmaster said:
There are better options, especially for those who aren't highly trained pocket-knife street fighters, which are less likely to land you in legal trouble.
You still face the issue of carrying with intent, which is why I won't specify them here, but they'd be more effective than a 3" folder and less likely to chop your own fingers off.
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I sort of want to play guess the pseudo weapon. Walking stick? Screwdriver? A baseball bat with a ball so you're only carrying it because you want to play baseball.

I used to have an anti social neighbour. He'd spy on my missus breast feeding, he crashed into her on her bike in the cemetery. He'd also done similar to other neighbours. And 1 bloke said he was going to walk with a walking stick so he could use it to protect himself in case he was attacked again.
 
ANDREW GREEN said:
I sort of want to play guess the pseudo weapon. Walking stick? Screwdriver? A baseball bat with a ball so you're only carrying it because you want to play baseball.

I used to have an anti social neighbour. He'd spy on my missus breast feeding, he crashed into her on her bike in the cemetery. He'd also done similar to other neighbours. And 1 bloke said he was going to walk with a walking stick so he could use it to protect himself in case he was attacked again.
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I'm guessing a machete, just in case of having to chop down any jungle that pops up unexpectedly.
 
ANDREW GREEN said:
I sort of want to play guess the pseudo weapon. Walking stick? Screwdriver? A baseball bat with a ball so you're only carrying it because you want to play baseball.
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Like I said, several options, so long as you can demonstrate that it was both reasonable and likely that you'd have it for reasons other than intent for use as a weapon.
Sports equipment and tools are unlikely accessories for being out walking your dog, but a dog lead with a heavy clip or a sturdy ball thrower are another matter. So long as your dog is large enough to pick up a sturdy stick off the forest floor, there's every reason that would be something to hand....

Dis86 said:
Dog confirmed as a Belgian Malinois.
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Not an XLB, so presumably no-one cares.
 
413x said:
With these cases you never know what's going on.

The parents are never gonna say..

My kid was pulling the dogs tail hitting it and I wasn't bothered.. Then it just snapped.
Or.. The dog was growling but he always does that so I didn't bother to intervene

You're never really going to know what happened to provoke it.
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Seen a tiktok video where a toddler was prodding and probing a dog, it had signs of being distressed and close to snapping point, could tell with its eyes, ears etc.
 
I have a lot of dog related stuff constantly in my YouTube feed, (I love the bigger breeds), this popped up earlier - I do think stuff like this on social media is a problem.


Stressing and confusing a powerful animal for clicks and comments is playing with fire imo, dog is confused and upset. My worry is other people copying and replaying this type of situation on other large breeds, sooner or later someone gets a chunk taken out of them - and we no doubt blame the dog and have it put down.
 
Screeeech said:
Stressing and confusing a powerful animal for clicks and comments is playing with fire imo, dog is confused and upset.
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Without a proper context, yes.
What she's (very poorly) demonstrating is the behaviour of a dog that is trained to immediately stop at sounds of pain or distress. It's often an optional part of training classes, but needs several people present to ensure a controlled environment and it's something you do one-on-one (or one-on-dog) rather than as a whole class.
It's essentially the same as a brief bit of controlled rough-play followed by the STOP command, which is part of the main syllabus anyway, but replacing the last bit with "Oww" or a pained yelp, etc.

Screeeech said:
My worry is other people copying and replaying this type of situation on other large breeds, sooner or later someone gets a chunk taken out of them - and we no doubt blame the dog and have it put down.
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It's not something done in beginner classes, so shouldn't really be showcased like this without proper context.
 
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