Does something need to be done about dogs?

[ttaskmaster]

@ttaskmaster you do realise that dogs are descended from wolves?
Why don't you go and spend some time with a pack of wolves in their "natural" state to get some first hand experience of how aggressive they aren't

Just as you are descended from Neanderthals - Do you still club women over the head and drag them back to your cave, to show them your finger-paintings....?
You're likely also descended from a nation that was involved in one of the slave trades - Are you doing much of that, these days.....?

As for your wolf idea, that depends whether you're looking at the outdated and flawed 'Pack Theory', or the actual behaviour of wolves in their natural environment which is more familial.
The ancestral lineage between the ancient wolves from which dogs descend and those of modern wolves genetically diverged about 40,000 years ago. As you'll know from the earlier discussions around heritability, environment is the greater influence in canine behaviour, which is why dogs were domesticated and wolves weren't.

Furthermore, dogs and humans show considerable genetic, physical and behavioural evidence of both parallel and co-evolution, to the point where dogs are closer to humans than some of the species to which we're more genetically related. Humans and dogs can read each others' emotions and social interactions better than chimps, for example.

Domestication of the dog - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

In short - Nice idea, but there's nothing in the wolf thing.

@sidimmu i genuinely think you're trying to argue with someone who has severe issues. Don't waste your time, it's worth more than that.

My only issue is the clueless idiots blindly treating a symptom and not the cause, despite this being widely condemned for over 40 years.

YOU started this thread, with the question, "Do we need to look at dog ownership and something to ensure only the right people can have a dog?".
The answer is obviously Yes... but instead we're just burying heads in the sand and hoping the wrong ones will just nicely stop doing naughty things, out of the good of their hearts. Tell me again about wasting time...?

 

[potatolord]

Just as you are descended from Neanderthals - Do you still club women over the head and drag them back to your cave, to show them your finger-paintings....?
You're likely also descended from a nation that was involved in one of the slave trades - Are you doing much of that, these days.....?

Aren't you confusing human cultural development with dogs biting people here?

 

[ttaskmaster]

Aren't you confusing human cultural development with dogs biting people here?

I didn't bring up the assumptions in ancestral association. I merely addressed the point.
Haggis made a good and valid argument, it was just based on a flawed premise.

 

[imtoooldforthis]

Things are getting out of hand

https://www.reddit.com/r/maybemaybemaybe/comments/1eewz9e/maybe_maybe_maybe/

 

[Freddie1980]

This cyclist was a lot calm and patient then what I would have been in this situation:

3 dogs that are aggressive which the owner is physically unable to control, license controls need to a lot more through and should include proof someone is cable of handling and controlling certain dog breeds especially ones that were historically bred for protection.

 

[StriderX]

Licences wont matter.

The only thing that these people ever respect is strength and that means very intentionally having a cull on their demon dogs.

 

[Kelt]

This cyclist was a lot calm and patient then what I would have been in this situation:

3 dogs that are aggressive which the owner is physically unable to control, license controls need to a lot more through and should include proof someone is cable of handling and controlling certain dog breeds especially ones that were historically bred for protection.

Hope he reported the incident to the police (not that they'd do anything).

Shows dogs in public should be leashed at all times.

 

[Dis86]

Hope he reported the incident to the police (not that they'd do anything).

Shows dogs in public should be leashed at all times.

I was attacked a little while back when out running and they couldn't have been less interested.
Luckily it only got a chunk of my running shoes.

 

[StriderX]

Surely these dogs represent a threat worthy of carrying a knife for self defence over?

Kind of ruins their whole anti-knife drive.

 

[Felon]

tbf, carrying a knife might make someone feel more secure, but if attacked completely out of the blue by an aggressive dog big and scary enough to seriously hurt you, 90% of people will just freeze up in fear, having a knife wouldn't do much.

Best thing to do if you can't get away or end up on the ground, curl up in the fetal position, stay still and don't fight.

 

[helpimcrap]

Put the owners down, not the dogs.

Kills 2 birds... it'll be a hell of a deterrent.

 

[Parsley]

tbf, carrying a knife might make someone feel more secure, but if attacked completely out of the blue by an aggressive dog big and scary enough to seriously hurt you, 90% of people will just freeze up in fear, having a knife wouldn't do much.

Best thing to do if you can't get away or end up on the ground, curl up in the fetal position, stay still and don't fight.

I'd be desperate to stay off the ground full stop to protect my throat.

 

[Minusorange]

Put the owners down, not the dogs.

Kills 2 birds... it'll be a hell of a deterrent.

Put owner & dog on an island with no life, whoever survives gets to return home, televise it as well for some money

 

[Dis86]

Accrington death: Man killed by XL Bully dog in his own home

The man was found dead in his home in Lancashire and the dog was later destroyed by police.

www.bbc.co.uk

Mustn't find funny. Mustn't find funny.

 

[Tykey]

Hope he reported the incident to the police (not that they'd do anything).

Shows dogs in public should be leashed at all times.

As someone who has owned dogs (still own 1 now) and been on many 7 or 8 mile walks through empty countryside where having my dog not on a lead gave us much enjoyment & freedom, I'd still support a lead at all times when in public law.

 

[Kelt]

Accrington death: Man killed by XL Bully dog in his own home

The man was found dead in his home in Lancashire and the dog was later destroyed by police.

www.bbc.co.uk

Mustn't find funny. Mustn't find funny.

Darwinism in effect.

 

[Mekrel]

You've got to be a class A idiot to want to own a dangerous animal that can basically kill you should it feel like it. It does make me laugh when owners say "I know their temperament". No, you don't, you absolute tool.

I had an incident two weeks ago whilst out running. I entered a kissing gate into a narrow, fenced, public footpath through a field. Towards the other end of the footpath, I could see a woman walking away from me with her unleashed dog behind her.

Knowing running up behind her would chance startling her, or her dog, I ran until I was .c 20 yards behind them and then walked behind them keeping the same distance. Suddenly the dog became aware of me and started aggressively jumping up at me. The stupid woman seemed more interested in apologising that I couldn't get past and not once did she try and get the dog under control or reassure me it wasn't aggressive/wouldn't bite.

The problem with a lot of dog owners is they treat their pets like children and therefore think they're the most precious thing that can't possibly do anything wrong. It's about time they mandate short leads in my opinion.

 

[chrcoluk]

You've got to be a class A idiot to want to own a dangerous animal that can basically kill you should it feel like it. It does make me laugh when owners say "I know their temperament". No, you don't, you absolute tool.

I had an incident two weeks ago whilst out running. I entered a kissing gate into a narrow, fenced, public footpath through a field. Towards the other end of the footpath, I could see a woman walking away from me with her unleashed dog behind her.

Knowing running up behind her would chance startling her, or her dog, I ran until I was .c 20 yards behind them and then walked behind them keeping the same distance. Suddenly the dog became aware of me and started aggressively jumping up at me. The stupid woman seemed more interested in apologising that I couldn't get past and not once did she try and get the dog under control or reassure me it wasn't aggressive/wouldn't bite.

The problem with a lot of dog owners is they treat their pets like children and therefore think they're the most precious thing that can't possibly do anything wrong. It's about time they mandate short leads in my opinion.

You be surprised, someone I know who's dog passed away only a matter of weeks ago, already wants a new dog. The requirement seems to be big and muscular. I didnt say what I was thinking though.

 

[Johno please?]

Accrington death: Man killed by XL Bully dog in his own home

The man was found dead in his home in Lancashire and the dog was later destroyed by police.

www.bbc.co.uk

Mustn't find funny. Mustn't find funny.

Circle of life init.

This cyclist was a lot calm and patient then what I would have been in this situation:

3 dogs that are aggressive which the owner is physically unable to control, license controls need to a lot more through and should include proof someone is cable of handling and controlling certain dog breeds especially ones that were historically bred for protection.

3 puppies, probably some scumbag breeders.

 

[Nutty667]

I think that would include a lot of dog owners if they had to prove they could control them.

Was out for my lunchtime walk yesterday, came across a family walking 2 massive dogs. Not sure what breed they were but the 2 dogs were bigger than the child who was holding one of the leads. Had to walk in middle of the quiet road to get around them, and the kid dropped the lead as I was walking past.
Thankfully nothing happened, but the other dog was even bigger, and muscular. No way in hell the old grandmother, mother or kid could have restrained either of the dogs.