Does something need to be done about dogs?

No doubt this sweet and innocent XL Bully was provoked. /s
"Laura [neighbour and witness] is an animal-lover, and says she's "not an XL hater", but yesterday's incident made her wary of the dog that carried out the attack. She said: "I love animals of all kinds. But that dog is a monster. This isn't the first time it's attacked".

Nothing said about the owner or the conditions in which it was kept, nor it's history (if anyone even knows), but the above suggests it's not been very good.

I'm surprised the 'passionate' folk of this thread have said nothing about the recent raids on backstreet XL Bully breeders, though...


 
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I'm surprised the 'passionate' folk of this thread have said nothing about the recent raids on backstreet XL Bully breeders
We dont care as long as the dogs are destroyed.
The dogs deserve to be destroyed and removed from society.

At least this lot of "passionate folk" can agree that these dogs are naturally dangerous and do not belong in society.
 
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The dogs deserve to be destroyed and removed from society.
No, the people who warped and mistreated the dogs deserve to be destroyed and removed from society.

At least this lot of "passionate folk" can agree that these dogs are naturally dangerous and do not belong in society.
In their 'natural' state, they are no more dangerous than any other dog.
 
No, the people who warped and mistreated the dogs deserve to be destroyed and removed from society.
Yes the dogs deserve to be destroyed and removed too, as they are dangerous to civilians and society.
The dangerous dogs dont become good boys as soon as you change their owner.

In their 'natural' state, they are no more dangerous than any other dog.
Natural state... I.E a made up state to identify how the perfect dog would be, completely void of the reality of life, environments and more.
Thank you for bringing yet another useless fact to the conversation.

@ttaskmaster stop defending a breed of dog that is a clear outlier in the death and serious injury of civilians.
Or do you wish to continue defending civilians and children being maimed and killed?
 
In their 'natural' state, they are no more dangerous than any other dog.
So this
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is no more dangerous than this ?
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righto..
 
Yes the dogs deserve to be destroyed and removed too, as they are dangerous to civilians and society.
The dangerous dogs dont become good boys as soon as you change their owner.
What they deserved was to be raised properly and given a decent home, not twisted into the status dog ideal.

Natural state... I.E a made up state to identify how the perfect dog would be, completely void of the reality of life, environments and more.
Natural, as in not inbred, pumped full of steroids and mistreated to make them appealing to *****.

@ttaskmaster stop defending a breed of dog that is a clear outlier in the death and serious injury of civilians.
Or do you wish to continue defending civilians and children being maimed and killed?
I'm defending nothing. I'm shifting focus to the cause.
 
not twisted into the status dog ideal.
They bred to be that exact reason FFS, how clueless are you?
So no, they deserved to be eradicated as they did not deserve to exist in the first place.
Natural, as in not inbred, pumped full of steroids and mistreated to make them appealing to *****.
Well then the breed would not exist as guess what, its far from natural.

I'm defending nothing. I'm shifting focus to the cause.
Pathetic excuse to try to justify your words.
We all see you defending this dangerous breed time and time again, regardless of how many adults and children are maimed or killed.

About time you wake up and look at the reality of the situation.
 
They bred to be that exact reason FFS, how clueless are you?
If they were bred like that, they'd not need the steroids, the fight training or the mistreatment.

So no, they deserved to be eradicated as they did not deserve to exist in the first place.
It wasn't their choice, so it's not their fault, and thus they do not 'deserve' your blinkered genocide.

Well then the breed would not exist as guess what, its far from natural.
So you agree this isn't their natural state.
Thus my original point - They cannot be "naturally dangerous" when the only examples you rely upon to substantiate your assertion are those in an unnatural state...

Pathetic excuse to try to justify your words.
We all see you defending this dangerous breed time and time again, regardless of how many adults and children are maimed or killed.
I have consistently pointed out that you're trying to treat a symptom and not the cause.
This same cause was warned against by numerous experts before 1991, and they turned out to be correct even then.
I think that quite amply justifies my position on the matter. Had people heeded those warnings, we'd not now be facing the same situation today.

About time you wake up and look at the reality of the situation.
Which is what? Keep banning dog breeds and utterly ignoring what people do to make them dangerous in the first place?
Go ahead. I'll see you in the next thread about the very same problem.
 
It wasn't their choice, so it's not their fault, and thus they do not 'deserve' your blinkered genocide.
If something was genetically created to be a monster, who give a **** what it's feelings are, it does not belong in a civilised society.

I have consistently pointed out that you're trying to treat a symptom and not the cause.
You are not going to tackle the cause of anti social humans, how many times have we got to tell you hiring rappers to sing about being peaceful, does not work.
Apologies for summarising.
Keep banning dog breeds and utterly ignoring what people do to make them dangerous in the first place?
Keep banning dangerous breeds that have been created for its violent and aggressive traits.
You wont change the scummy humans regardless of what you do, you have to take things away from them which can cause a problem to innocent civilians.
Its not hard mate.
 
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If something was genetically created to be a monster, who give a **** what it's feelings are, it does not belong in a civilised society.
Thank-you Victor Frankenstein...
You already know it was not originally bred to be like this. It's only certain lineages that have been misbred and abused.

You are not going to tackle the cause of anti social humans
If you can get millions of people to stand outside their houses and clap like seals every Thursday, you can tackle this.

Keep banning dangerous breeds that have been created for its violent and aggressive traits.
And they'll keep making new ones...

You wont change the scummy humans regardless of what you do, you have to take things away from them which can cause a problem to innocent civilians.
Its not hard mate.
No, you have to remove their reasons for behaving like this in the first place. Right now money is the biggest driver for breeders, and clearly buyers don't care about a breed being banned as evidenced by the number of Pit Bulls newly registered every year, as well as the unregistered ones we keep finding.
 
You already know it was not originally bred to be like this. It's only certain lineages that have been misbred and abused.
Incorrect, it has been bred in this manner to be dangerous and aggressive, its very clear.

If you can get millions of people to stand outside their houses and clap like seals every Thursday, you can tackle this.
Completely different situations, to even compare them show's you dont have the ability to tackle this.

Also, they might have clapped in their millions, it didn't improve the situation what so ever, so yeah useless.

And they'll keep making new ones...
And the genetic monsters will be banned and destroyed, as appropriately so.

No, you have to remove their reasons for behaving like this in the first place. Right now money is the biggest driver for breeders, and clearly buyers don't care about a breed being banned as evidenced by the number of Pit Bulls newly registered every year, as well as the unregistered ones we keep finding.
All I see is excuses for them to be scum bags.
Remove one reason such as money, they'll find another reason to be a scum bag.

You remove the dangerous item from public ownership, like a sensible human being.
 
Incorrect, it has been bred in this manner to be dangerous and aggressive, its very clear.
It was already established earlier in the thread, with quoted articles from experts explaining the different bloodlines.
The UK has imported a higher number from the more status-centric lineages than most nations, which is why there are so many problems.

Completely different situations, to even compare them show's you dont have the ability to tackle this.
Whoever said I was going to tackle it?
It's a societal problem. It needs society to collectively influence it.

Also, they might have clapped in their millions, it didn't improve the situation what so ever, so yeah useless.
It shows societal response to social persuasion.

And the genetic monsters will be banned and destroyed, as appropriately so.
Not before a good number of people die, which is what I'd think you want to prevent, no?

All I see is excuses for them to be scum bags.
And that's a very blinkered view.

You remove the dangerous item from public ownership, like a sensible human being.
And how has that worked for things like guns, drugs or knives, mmm?
 
t was already established earlier in the thread, with quoted articles from experts explaining the different bloodlines.
All I see is excuses for justifying genetic changes to allow for violence and aggression.
Those are not good enough reasons to keep them alive. Kill them all, never have problem with that breed again based on legislation preventing breeding.
Whoever said I was going to tackle it?
It's a societal problem. It needs society to collectively influence it.
Well you have offered numerous ways to tackle it, argued with numerous posters about your tactics to tackle it.

It shows societal response to social persuasion.
I am not going in to this here as you are trying to drag all of this off topic now.
Maybe because you know your game is up now.

And that's a very blinkered view.
You have shared your views of a lower society causing these problems numerous times in this thread.
But now because I take aim at these people, its now a blinkered view, nice one.

And how has that worked for things like guns, drugs or knives, mmm?
Non comparable, but again keep reaching to the bottom of the barrel for a response.
Guns dont kill people, people do.
Knives dont kill people, people do.
Drugs dont kill people, people do.

Heres the difference;
Dogs do kill people.
 
All I see is excuses for justifying genetic changes to allow for violence and aggression.
Then you're just not looking.
At NO point have I ever said that what has been done to these dogs is justified. Rather the opposite, in fact.

Kill them all, never have problem with that breed again based on legislation preventing breeding.
Legislation hasn't stopped illegal breeding before, so why would it now?
You need to physically prevent the importation and breeding, not write stuff that just gets ignored.

Well you have offered numerous ways to tackle it, argued with numerous posters about your tactics to tackle it.
I offered talking points to start the ball rolling. This is not something a single person will change.
But that's still more than most have done.

I am not going in to this here as you are trying to drag all of this off topic now.
Maybe because you know your game is up now.
It's still on topic - Societal response to social persuasion. The majority of status dogs are little more than a fashion trend in essence. You really don't think someone can influence fashion??

You have shared your views of a lower society causing these problems numerous times in this thread.
But now because I take aim at these people, its now a blinkered view, nice one.
Actually, it's because you're NOT taking aim at these people. Your approach is to let them carry on being scumbags, and ban anything they mis-use until the rest of us innocents have nothing.
Focus your efforts on eliminating the reasons they become scumbags. It will solve a multitude of problems, not just this one.

Non comparable, but again keep reaching to the bottom of the barrel for a response.
I'd rather you didn't respond, actually, but never mind. I know you will.
They're perfectly comparable, as the illegality, methods of obtaining, ignorance of their laws, and their methods for policing and control are exactly the same.

Guns dont kill people, people do.
Knives dont kill people, people do.
Drugs dont kill people, people do.

Heres the difference;
Dogs do kill people.
Dogs taught by people to kill, do kill people. In almost every single incident there is a human who's done something that prompted that dog to kill.
The studies and stats showed "Predictable and preventable", remember?

So again, the common and controlling element in all these is people.
 
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