Does something need to be done about dogs?

[413x]

Honestly I don't think they realised it had got me quite so bad. I'm a regular there and they were helpful, but they're also just 19-20 year olds working in a pub. I don't blame them for not wanting to intervene and also get bitten.




They don't, I've asked the pub across the road if they do but haven't had a reply yet.



"A bit bitey" was paraphrasing, but she had told them it was a rescue and could be aggressive.



Independent, I'm not going to sue them. I don't blame anyone but the owner.



I have given the owners details to the police and proceeded with an interview/statement. I believe they intend to prosecute if it can't be resolved via less formal means.

I've also contacted a solicitor and they seem keen to make a claim on a no win, no fee basis.

Update on the bite after 3 days, again ignore the fatness.

Jesus.

I'd love to say I'm surprised the police haven't followed it up. But I get the impression from second hand info that this isn't uncommon and vigilante justice (ie social media) is often the go to.

Hope you're getting the medical attention you need.

And good for pursuing. You're probably saving someone down the line.

Although I'm not for putting all XLs down. If owners aren't following the very common sense rules they should be punished as if it's them causing the injury.

 

[Mason-]

Shocked by @Rai200 's situation, hope it gets resolved. You should be owed compensation, hey that bruise looks really bad, I assume you've had to take time off work with it? I'm in favour of all the xl bullies being put down tbh, no way should that one should go to a 'home'. If it did that to a child they'd die, if it did that to your neck, you'd be dead.

XL bully: Baby seriously injured in dog attack in Folkestone

A woman, 76, and a man, 18, have been arrested in connection with the attack near Folkestone.

www.bbc.co.uk

This all sounds very familiar...

I've got an 8 month old scares the crap out of me. I really don't like dogs. Everytime we're out with him in his pram/buggy, I get so twitchy and nervous when a dog is around. They're everywhere... everyone has dogs these days.

 

[dowie]

...said every incompetent dog owner ever, whilst the dog displays a million and one blindingly obvious indicators of poorly managed aggressive behaviour

Yup, every single time:

"Princess wouldn't hurt anyone!"

"Did you know that actually they call them the nanny dog?"

 

[Parsley]

Although I'm not for putting all XLs down. If owners aren't following the very common sense rules they should be punished as if it's them causing the injury.

What frustrates me most is they clearly don't actually care that much about their own dogs. If my dog was on a list and needed to be muzzled, always leashed etc etc, he absolutely would be. With what happened to @Rai200 I just cannot comprehend how she isn't seemingly more worried about having her dog taken from her or destroyed. If my dog touched anyone I'd be extremely angry with myself for even allowing the situation to happen, extremely sorry to the person hurt and extremely anxious and worried of the repercussions to my pet, who I consider family. I don't let mine off the lead anyway as he's likely to go off chasing the slightest suggestion of a squirrel, and since he was attacked he is not as good with big dogs paying him too much attention as he once was.

That woman just clearly doesn't care, why does she even have the dog if she doesn't care enough to protect it from its own behaviour? Let alone being so incredibly selfish and self centred as to not care about it biting someone and leaving such bruising.

People drive me up the wall.

 

[413x]

What frustrates me most is they clearly don't actually care that much about their own dogs. If my dog was on a list and needed to be muzzled, always leashed etc etc, he absolutely would be. With what happened to @Rai200 I just cannot comprehend how she isn't seemingly more worried about having her dog taken from her or destroyed. If my dog touched anyone I'd be extremely angry with myself for even allowing the situation to happen, extremely sorry to the person hurt and extremely anxious and worried of the repercussions to my pet, who I consider family. I don't let mine off the lead anyway as he's likely to go off chasing the slightest suggestion of a squirrel, and since he was attacked he is not as good with big dogs paying him too much attention as he once was.

That woman just clearly doesn't care, why does she even have the dog if she doesn't care enough to protect it from its own behaviour? Let alone being so incredibly selfish and self centred as to not care about it biting someone and leaving such bruising.

People drive me up the wall.

I'm same.
I'd do anything to stop them taking my dog (even breaking the law) but I'd also absolutely be following the letter of the law on it.

Dog would be muzzled and on a strong lead/harness with someone (ie me) who could physically restrain the dog.

 

[dowie]

That woman just clearly doesn't care, why does she even have the dog if she doesn't care enough to protect it from its own behaviour? Let alone being so incredibly selfish and self centred as to not care about it biting someone and leaving such bruising.

People drive me up the wall.

Well realistically, if she cared about things like that, she'd likely not have bought an XL Bully in the first place.

 

[hurfdurf]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1867248290934448306

New attack, this time a dog that police tried to deal with but couldn’t, warned the family, who’s dog now almost killed their baby.

This country needs to name and shame more when it gets to the point of such severe negligence.

 

[dowie]

New attack, this time a dog that police tried to deal with but couldn’t, warned the family, who’s dog now almost killed their baby.

That's exactly where the ban would've helped - they didn't have the authority to do anything in November 2023 but after it's a banned breed then it's assumed to be potentially dangerous and they've got a lower threshold for taking action - and indeed in order for the incident to have occurred the owner might well have not stuck with the criteria of the exemption certificate like neutering, muzzling etc..

Edit - it's the nanny dog meme all over again - these people have worms in their brains:

Police wanted to destroy XL Bully that savaged baby year before attack

An XL Bully named Hunter (pictured) 'just snapped' yesterday in a vicious attack as it targeted an eight-month-old girl, relatives have revealed.

www.dailymail.co.uk

'Hunter the dog and the baby got on so well. It's so out of character for the dog.

'It was so soppy. We used to think he was like Scooby Do! They used to get in the travel cot together. He would sniff the baby and wander off.'

 

[ttaskmaster]

...said every incompetent dog owner ever, whilst the dog displays a million and one blindingly obvious indicators of poorly managed aggressive behaviour

Ah, but you 'never can tell what a dog is going to do', y'see... The signs must be so blindingly obvious that these people are also blinded to it!

That's exactly where the ban would've helped - they didn't have the authority to do anything in November 2023 but after it's a banned breed then it's assumed to be potentially dangerous and they've got a lower threshold for taking action - and indeed in order for the incident to have occurred the owner might well have not stuck with the criteria of the exemption certificate like neutering, muzzling etc..

What, just like the ban (new and improved version) helped last week?

Stratford: Woman in court after man killed in dog attack

Leanne McDonnell, 32, is accused of owning or being in charge of the dog that attacked Akif Mustaq.

www.bbc.co.uk

The APBT has been banned for 33 years. By the logic of the ban, all UK examples should have died out by now and the breed should no longer even exist in this country!

As far as thresholds go, the Police have had the authority to do this since 1991. Leaving aside the fact that the XLB was already illegal under the DDA, they still had the authority to impose regulations and did not need this owner to voluntarily accept them. Given that the household already had the child (being around 7 months old) in Nov 23 back when the dog first aggressed, they had everything they needed under existing powers to retain that dog and do what they liked with it. Now the baby is 18 months old and fighting for its life because Police did not use the powers they already had.

Tell me again how this new ban is going to save lives... or indeed how it is of any use?

 

[Blackjack Davy]

I'm same.
I'd do anything to stop them taking my dog (even breaking the law) but I'd also absolutely be following the letter of the law on it.

Dog would be muzzled and on a strong lead/harness with someone (ie me) who could physically restrain the dog.

As has repeatedly been proved you cannot trust all the people to do the right thing all of the time. The govt should not have fannyed around muzzling on on leash, etc they should have just ordered all banned breeds to be destroyed with immediate effect, the lack of political will is costing and will continue to cost lives.

 

[413x]

As has repeatedly been proved you cannot trust all the people to do the right thing all of the time. The govt should not have fannyed around muzzling on on leash, etc they should have just ordered all banned breeds to be destroyed with immediate effect, the lack of political will is costing and will continue to cost lives.

If this happened to me I would simply break the law. There is no way I would let a retrospective law just come in and take my dog.

Maybe I'd take the dog out for night time walks. Or deep in the countryside.
But no way I'd let my best friend be destroyed.

 

[bloodiedathame]

No need, I've managed to find her full name, place of employment, home address, picture and the name of the dog (which was an XL) myself. Back down the station tomorrow.

It's disgraceful that the police are getting you to do their job for them. Also, it is slightly concerning that you can get that sort of detail from others on Facebook. I wouldn't be surprised if the police come after you for GDPR breaches or some other nonsense.

 

[Parsley]

Well realistically, if she cared about things like that, she'd likely not have bought an XL Bully in the first place.

True and I generally agree. But I could potentially see myself ending up with one from a rescue if I like the dog and there isn't anyone else who would take it. Not my first choice and not what I'm ever aiming to have (I prefer smaller dogs who simply live longer). The dog would be as safe as I could make it, even if it's the softest dog on the planet. People end up with dogs for all sorts of reasons.

If this happened to me I would simply break the law. There is no way I would let a retrospective law just come in and take my dog.

Maybe I'd take the dog out for night time walks. Or deep in the countryside.
But no way I'd let my best friend be destroyed.

I'm with you on that one. I'm not a trouble maker or one to pretend I'm remotely capable of fighting my way out of a paper bag. But no one is taking my dog off me without issue if I don't think there is a good reason for it.

 

[413x]

True and I generally agree. But I could potentially see myself ending up with one from a rescue if I like the dog and there isn't anyone else who would take it. Not my first choice and not what I'm ever aiming to have (I prefer smaller dogs who simply live longer). The dog would be as safe as I could make it, even if it's the softest dog on the planet. People end up with dogs for all sorts of reasons.


I'm with you on that one. I'm not a trouble maker or one to pretend I'm remotely capable of fighting my way out of a paper bag. But no one is taking my dog off me without issue if I don't think there is a good reason for it.

Yeah hes the thing in my life that means most to me in the world. There are ways around it. Either emigration or just hiding your dog. Moving to a rural location. The police don't even deal with actual crimes anymore. Let alone stuff like this.

I would have no issue personally with breaking this law. Damned the consequences. Nothing would be worse than giving him up to be destroyed.

 

[bloodiedathame]

I was down at a yard yesterday morning and heard some commotion in the form of a dog continuously barking nearby. Went to investigate and could see an off-lead dog in a field chasing a horse. The owner was standing in the road about 100m from it, not recalling, not going towards it, doing absolutely nothing. I said 'You need to go and get your dog'. His response was 'Well if he gets kicked he won't do it again', to which I said 'Yeah, you may no longer have a dog', he replied 'Well that would do me a favour, look at him'.

At that point, he decided that it would be a good idea to go and get his dog and he jogged off and hopped the fence.

Honestly, some people just shouldn't own dogs. The dog is like that because you have not trained it properly.

The horse was physically fine but probably has an issue with dogs now, which could cause the rider an issue in the future.

 

[Parsley]

I was down at a yard yesterday morning and heard some commotion in the form of a dog continuously barking nearby. Went to investigate and could see an off-lead dog in a field chasing a horse. The owner was standing in the road about 100m from it, not recalling, not going towards it, doing absolutely nothing. I said 'You need to go and get your dog'. His response was 'Well if he gets kicked he won't do it again', to which I said 'Yeah, you may no longer have a dog', he replied 'Well that would do me a favour, look at him'.

At that point, he decided that it would be a good idea to go and get his dog and he jogged off and hopped the fence.

Honestly, some people just shouldn't own dogs. The dog is like that because you have not trained it properly.

The horse was physically fine but probably has an issue with dogs now, which could cause the rider an issue in the future.

I've met someone like this who jogs with his two dogs on a footpath near me. It's also a bridle path and the dogs, Collies, do what Collies do, and nip at and chase the horses. After telling him he shouldn't let them run free down there, the dogs are at risk of a kick that can easily kill them, (never mind the rider on the horse that could be thrown having to sit to an upset horse) the response was being told to fully remove swearing off and he can do what he wants, he's allowed the dogs off the lead down here despite the signage saying otherwise. It's just pure entitlement. It would be the horse riders fault if his dog ended up with a caved in chest or crushed skull, I'm sure.

 

[dowie]

True and I generally agree. But I could potentially see myself ending up with one from a rescue if I like the dog and there isn't anyone else who would take it. Not my first choice and not what I'm ever aiming to have (I prefer smaller dogs who simply live longer). The dog would be as safe as I could make it, even if it's the softest dog on the planet. People end up with dogs for all sorts of reasons.

They're not legally available from rescues as of this year, they can't be sold legally either - the only legal thing people can do is to apply for an exemption certificate for an existing, neutered XL Bully.

 

[dowie]

Tell me again how this new ban is going to save lives... or indeed how it is of any use?

That's exactly where the ban would've helped - they didn't have the authority to do anything in November 2023 but after it's a banned breed then it's assumed to be potentially dangerous and they've got a lower threshold for taking action

Police couldn't force them to destroy it in 2023, they have a much stronger case now - it's right there for you in the post, I'm not sure there is much more I can explain if you're unable to understand that - by being a banned breed it's already assumed to be potentially dangerous + the owners have some set criteria they need to adhere to.

 

[Parsley]

They're not legally available from rescues as of this year, they can't be sold legally either - the only legal thing people can do is to apply for an exemption certificate for an existing, neutered XL Bully.

I'm aware, but that would be the only way I'd end up with one. I'd never specifically seek out such a dog. The same goes for any future problem breeds (or just anything particularly "dangerous"). There will be more I'm sure.

 

[Pipe & Slippers]

Nothing would be worse than giving him up to be destroyed.

Killing someone isn't worse?