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Yep, I've seen a few. They're bigger pit bulls, very muscular. Unlike the owners, who are generally skinny trackie lads.
Does something need to be done about dogs?
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Yep, I've seen a few. They're bigger pit bulls, very muscular. Unlike the owners, who are generally skinny trackie lads.
No actually, dogs have to be on a lead at all times, however there was an incident not long ago where the bully XL ended up out of control and tried to attack another dog..
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All this talk of licenses and tests when having children has the potential of doing way more damage than owning a dog.
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If there were no children then who would look after the dogs Albert Einstein, if that even is your real name, which I doubt.
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It's not JUST the owners, some breeds are just nasty beeps, regardless. Terriers, and bulls etc are rarely smart enough, and are agressive *by nature*. No amount of good ownership will help there.
I have 2 working labradors, incredibly steady, and they go off the lead everywhere, mostly glued to my legs unless I tell them to roam. I very often meet other dog owner who say "oh but how do you make them do this or that" -- and all I can tell them is that I started training them when they were 8 weeks old, and they've been in training *every day since*.
However, we go everywhere with what we call a 'whacking stick' to beat up any other dog that might attack. One of the pup was attacked by a terrier once, it charged and latched itself on the pup's head -- she'll have scars for life --, I had to jump up/down on the little piece of beep to make it release. Now I won't go anywhere without a stick with a pretty hefty handhold.
I have 2 working labradors, incredibly steady, and they go off the lead everywhere, mostly glued to my legs unless I tell them to roam. I very often meet other dog owner who say "oh but how do you make them do this or that" -- and all I can tell them is that I started training them when they were 8 weeks old, and they've been in training *every day since*.
However, we go everywhere with what we call a 'whacking stick' to beat up any other dog that might attack. One of the pup was attacked by a terrier once, it charged and latched itself on the pup's head -- she'll have scars for life --, I had to jump up/down on the little piece of beep to make it release. Now I won't go anywhere without a stick with a pretty hefty handhold.
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Same reason people like to birth their own home-made children instead of adopting one of the thousands in shelters and orphanages....
So should most humans...
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It’s not dogs you need to watch out for it’s those psycho cats!
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No they aren't, individual animals might be but not whole breeds. They aren't among the smartest breeds but they aren't stupid, they are loyal and keen to please which makes them ideal for training (good and bad).
I have a staffordshire bull terrier and he behaves in the same way your labradors do, I can walk him anywhere anytime off the lead. I've had similar conversations with other dog owners and I've given the same response, each time the other dog owner has visibly deflated at the thought of putting the effort in, which is why their dog is a bloody nuisance so they daren't let it off the lead. I just don't understand the mentality, most seem to think that a quick course with a dog trainer and job done, it isn't it's a life long commitment.
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Too many owners not willing to train/discipline their "fur-babies" 
is a big reason for the increase as well I'd imagine.
is a big reason for the increase as well I'd imagine.Calling dogs loyal is not really a way to defend a breed.
If anything loyalty will make it more likely will be aggression as a stranger approaching the owner the dog might perceive as a threat.
The issue with the bull breeds is their strength. Now we recognise in society we have mentally handicapped children, we have psychopaths, but yet apparently all dogs (who we dont understand their language) all have the same mental trait and it must mean if a dog goes crazy its always on the owner.
I have seen stories as an example of people who own multiple dogs, they described as calm, friendly the usual story, then they get a new dog, and suddenly the new dog is aggressive, they cant work out why as it gets the same love, exercise, training etc. Most of these stories seem to involve bull breeds, but after reading Screech's post, I did a bit more digging and Dobermans are interesting, they apparently loyal to their owners, but also more aggressive than average to strangers. In these stories there is also a common trait where early bites are written off as one off's which seems to be common place they telling friends that their dog is the softest in the world when it already has a biting history.
Also seen lots of near misses on videos, where dogs freeze whilst been cuddled by toddlers (freeze is a late warning sign before a bite they uncomfortable), whale eye etc.
If anything loyalty will make it more likely will be aggression as a stranger approaching the owner the dog might perceive as a threat.
The issue with the bull breeds is their strength. Now we recognise in society we have mentally handicapped children, we have psychopaths, but yet apparently all dogs (who we dont understand their language) all have the same mental trait and it must mean if a dog goes crazy its always on the owner.
I have seen stories as an example of people who own multiple dogs, they described as calm, friendly the usual story, then they get a new dog, and suddenly the new dog is aggressive, they cant work out why as it gets the same love, exercise, training etc. Most of these stories seem to involve bull breeds, but after reading Screech's post, I did a bit more digging and Dobermans are interesting, they apparently loyal to their owners, but also more aggressive than average to strangers. In these stories there is also a common trait where early bites are written off as one off's which seems to be common place they telling friends that their dog is the softest in the world when it already has a biting history.
Also seen lots of near misses on videos, where dogs freeze whilst been cuddled by toddlers (freeze is a late warning sign before a bite they uncomfortable), whale eye etc.
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Loyalty is not a negative trait, nor was I using it to defend a breed, merely a statement about the breeds characteristics. If a dog acts aggressively through a stranger approaching then that's on the owner, lack of or poor training in their early years.
As I said, most dogs are fine some aren't, it isn't breed specific. Where I live there's a lot of dog owners with a huge range of different breeds including a couple of bully XLs, the only dogs who've been aggressive over the years are a spaniel that tried to bite everything in it's path when off it's lead. The owner doesn't let it off the lead anymore after she had to stump up for several vets bills and copped a lot of flack off everyone for it. The other is a very aggressive german shepard, it's always on a lead and always muzzled, the owner is a giant too and keeps it under control at all times, it's a rescue dog and really doesn't like other dogs but it's never a problem because the owner keeps on top of it. We pass a lot of dogs each day, some days dozens, from tiny little rats on leads, up to bully xl's and a bloke with a pair of Saint Bernards, a handful that pair are
, no aggression from either side, they either ignore each other, have a bit of a sniff or have a bit of a run round.If a dog goes "crazy" of course it's on the owner, who else would it be on?
Don't cuddle dogs, especially around the neck, most really don't like it, however they'll tolerate it, but occasionally one wont, don't do it, ever, and that's the problem some owners of dogs and toddlers are ******* morons.
No dog should be walked off the lead in public, especially not a breed such as a Staffordshire Bull Terrier. It's totally irresponsible. You may trust him, but what happens when you walk around the corner and there's another dog there? Just because you think you can trust your dog doesn't mean it won't attack or even be attacked, and if you are not in control of it, you could be in for a whole world of pain.
There have been so many occasions when my kids and I have had dogs bound up to us when walking in public places, and it's always the same excuse from the owners. "Oh it's ok he's only being friendly, he won't hurt you, he just wants a good sniff" I couldn't give a ****, get your dog under control and away from my personal space!
I agree on the cuddling, in those videos it was on the owners for sure, letting their children do that to a dog.Loyalty is not a negative trait, nor was I using it to defend a breed, merely a statement about the breeds characteristics. If a dog acts aggressively through a stranger approaching then that's on the owner, lack of or poor training in their early years.
As I said, most dogs are fine some aren't, it isn't breed specific. Where I live there's a lot of dog owners with a huge range of different breeds including a couple of bully XLs, the only dogs who've been aggressive over the years are a spaniel that tried to bite everything in it's path when off it's lead. The owner doesn't let it off the lead anymore after she had to stump up for several vets bills and copped a lot of flack off everyone for it. The other is a very aggressive german shepard, it's always on a lead and always muzzled, the owner is a giant too and keeps it under control at all times, it's a rescue dog and really doesn't like other dogs but it's never a problem because the owner keeps on top of it. We pass a lot of dogs each day, some days dozens, from tiny little rats on leads, up to bully xl's and a bloke with a pair of Saint Bernards, a handful that pair are
If a dog goes "crazy" of course it's on the owner, who else would it be on?
Don't cuddle dogs, especially around the neck, most really don't like it, however they'll tolerate it, but occasionally one wont, don't do it, ever, and that's the problem some owners of dogs and toddlers are ******* morons.
On your crazy question, I feel there can be instances the owner might be innocent, where they have treated their dog in a reasonable way but it just lashes out without provocation perhaps due to a undiagnosed mental health issue or maybe due to treatment from previous owner new owner is not aware off, there can be both combined, where a owner takes on a strong breed, but doesnt know how to handle it. Then instances where its all on the owner, the dog gives warnings its not happy its ignored and then finally lashes out, I would also put an owner at fault if the general upkeep of the dog is poor. I have seen dogs penned in very small homes, without knowing what fresh air is like.
Another tiktok video I just remembered, lady answers the door, parcel delivery guy throws parcel at her not wanting to get close, then suddenly a dog runs out to chase him, and can see him running in circles trying to get away from it in the street, and the lady calls the dog, it has no recall whatsoever, and tells the guy to stop running "its because you showing it you scared".
I have of course also seen very well trained dogs, I seen a video where the dog was incredibly obedient and really snappy recall. Another dog tried to attack it, she told it to sit, and it just sat defenceless completely obedient. However I do think it should have been on a lead, there is always the risk that one day, the recall wont work.
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My experience with dogs, just from ours over 40 odd years is they pretty much take after their owners. All our dogs have been soft as **** and we have had a Dobermann and Alsatian. Once we got a Alsatian from the dogs home who was really aggressive towards other dogs, they had struggled to rehome it because of it but we gave it ago.
First week we had it it pulled me over and chased a couple of dogs and started fighting, was a nightmare trying to separate them and he made a bit of a mess of one and I felt really bad because we knew the other people who luckily were very understanding.
Then Within a month the thing ended up being scared of the cat which it previously chased round the house on its first day and we had no trouble at all after that and we didn't even need the lead when other dogs were around as he seemed more scared of any dog, even the two he did over previously. No training or anything.
Our current Golden retriever is the softest yet, scared of everything.
First week we had it it pulled me over and chased a couple of dogs and started fighting, was a nightmare trying to separate them and he made a bit of a mess of one and I felt really bad because we knew the other people who luckily were very understanding.
Then Within a month the thing ended up being scared of the cat which it previously chased round the house on its first day and we had no trouble at all after that and we didn't even need the lead when other dogs were around as he seemed more scared of any dog, even the two he did over previously. No training or anything.
Our current Golden retriever is the softest yet, scared of everything.
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As per my previous post we meet lots of dogs every day, the majority of them are off their leads, sometimes it's one dog other times it can be several different dogs of different breeds. We meet one woman fairly regularly with a couple of shitzus, a corgi, a dalmatian, a re setter and a french bulldog, they'll either ignore each other, sniff each other or have a bit of a run around together. Regarding the attacking thing, the last thing you want to do is be attached to the dog if it's about to be attacked, the dog can't defend itself or run and you're going to end up stuck in the middle of it and contrary to the daily mail reports dogs aren't all unhinged psychos with a hair trigger whatever the breed.
The bounding over to people is all down to training, the owner is most likely right and the dog just wants to play, but a responsible owner should have trained that out of them, I did with mine. He wont approach anyone uninvited or without my say so and even when invited he wont jump up as that irritates me with other peoples dogs.
Surely if both dogs are on a lead, like they should be, then this wouldn't happen as both owners are in control of their dog? I'm sorry there's just no excuse for walking your dog off the lead in a public place, no matter how well trained you think it is. I appreciate that you think yours is well trained and wouldn't hurt a fly, but you just never know, even well-trained dogs can turn and bite.
I couldn't care less, I'm not interested in playing, people just need to get their dogs on a leash and keep them under control!
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I think people need properly educating regarding certain breeds of dog.
A staffie for example which is my favourite breed of dog has certain needs and requirements. It’s a dog I would most like but would be least suited to my lifestyle. It just can’t be left alone for long periods of time.
A staffie for example which is my favourite breed of dog has certain needs and requirements. It’s a dog I would most like but would be least suited to my lifestyle. It just can’t be left alone for long periods of time.
Are Staffordshire Bull Terriers dangerous?
Staffordshire Bull Terriers have an unfair reputation as being dangerous or aggressive. Whilst the breed can be very vocal and protective, they are not known to be aggressive by nature and are in fact loving and gentle dogs who crave companionship. Aggression is generally a behavioural issue that will arise if your dog is left alone too often, becomes bored, is not exercised enough or is improperly trained.What were Staffies originally bred for?
Staffies, like their Bulldog ancestors, were bred as cattle drivers and fighting dogs. However, this gentle breed are now widely loved for their affectionate, kind nature and are even known as the “nanny dog” due to their caring and protective personalities.Are Staffordshire Bull Terriers easy to train?
Staffordshire Bull Terriers are intelligent and quick to catch on, but they can have a stubborn streak that can make training more challenging. Consistency and patience are vital when it comes to training Staffies and they’ll respond best to shorter, fun training sessions with plenty of positive reinforcement.Terriers good with other dogs?
Whilst they are friendly with people, Staffies can be competitive with other dogs which can lead to hostile behaviour. Early socialisation is key for a well-rounded, sociable dog, but this is a breed that usually does best in a single dog household.Can Staffordshire Bull Terriers be left alone?
In general, Staffies don’t enjoy spending too much time alone, preferring to stay in the heart of their family. They are happiest in busy households with lots going on and need plenty of playtime and attention to keep them happy and engaged. For this reason, it’s best not to leave your Staffy alone for more than a few hours at a time. If you do need to leave your dog alone, make sure they have plenty of toys to keep them busy and consider having someone check in on them.
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Hah that made me think 'Staffie - dog of peace.'
One of my best friends has a Staffie, she's amazing. I also, see another Staffie on my walk who's a gorgeous well-behaved dog. Another owner I met had her dog attacked by a Staffie...
So, it really is down to the owner.
One of my best friends has a Staffie, she's amazing. I also, see another Staffie on my walk who's a gorgeous well-behaved dog. Another owner I met had her dog attacked by a Staffie...
So, it really is down to the owner.
Or the temperament of the individual dog.