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Perhaps some experts will shed a different light, maybe not for the already pre dispositioned but maybe for others.
Does something need to be done about dogs?
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Soldato
Whose getting uppity? Everyone's welcome to their opinion no matter how wrong they are
and I'll continue walking my vicious killer devil dog off his lead safe in the knowledge I don't live in chav central.
Associate
Oi! You got a license for that dog mate?
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It's not a particularly rigorous source, but the Wikipedia page on USA fatal dog attacks is heavily weighted towards pitbull attacks.
Uk page heavily weighted to staffs/ bulldog types.
27 fatal uk attacks between 2010-19, 14 from 2020-mid 2022.
The way the US treats it’s pets makes me sad, they mutilate the hell out of them to make them look as aggressive as possible, dogs like Dobermans and boxers (2 of my fave breeds) when I see them with stupid pointy ears, it just ***** me right off.
Caporegime
Yeah why do they do that?
Whats the historical reason for docking tails and doing that weird pointy ear thing too, as you say, especially dobermans.... Google time..
Do they circumcise their dogs? Asking for a friend on that one. (email in trust)
that was a joke
i actually learned something else today, i thought this would be cringe but it was ok.
Soldato
They also declaw cats as well, which is a terrible process (like pulling someone's fingers out) and illegal in most countries.
Caporegime
Just bad owners.
It’s like everything in their stupid culture, everything has to be as big and aggressive as possible, everything is a statement.
Some of them claim that cropping ears is to prevent ear infections, but it’s just horse ****, if anything subjecting an animal to any kind of surgery has way higher risks of causing infection or complications.
But you try telling yanks that, country full of halfwits.
It’s sad,
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I was actually pretty surprised. That is one hell of a cluster, isn't it?
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Thank you kindly. A beautiful fellow for sure but more importantly is his lovely gentle nature.
Seems to me the obvious solutions to this are 3-fold.
All breeders require certification and registration, in an effort to prevent "back-garden breeders"
All dog owners require a license and registration of both themselves and their pet, with heavy criminal penalties for those who do not.
All dogs must remain on a lead / harness at ALL TIMES in a public space and those stupid "extend-a-leads" should be banned outright.
After all, it is the minimum requirement(s) we have for owning / using most other things in a public place which are considered "potentially dangerous"
All breeders require certification and registration, in an effort to prevent "back-garden breeders"
All dog owners require a license and registration of both themselves and their pet, with heavy criminal penalties for those who do not.
All dogs must remain on a lead / harness at ALL TIMES in a public space and those stupid "extend-a-leads" should be banned outright.
After all, it is the minimum requirement(s) we have for owning / using most other things in a public place which are considered "potentially dangerous"
It’s like everything in their stupid culture, everything has to be as big and aggressive as possible, everything is a statement.
Some of them claim that cropping ears is to prevent ear infections, but it’s just horse ****, if anything subjecting an animal to any kind of surgery has way higher risks of causing infection or complications.
But you try telling yanks that, country full of halfwits.
It’s sad,
Let us not forget also that the only animals which "require" surgery to fix a physical malady that is common to the breed, is due to the frankly disgusting level of "unethical breeding" between various breeds of dog over multiple generations to result in things like the Sharpei (sp?) which regularly end up needing "facelift surgery" to fix their eye infections etc..
Humans have a lot to answer for to be honest...
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Yes, it's very odd that we accept such a half-truth, given that the DNA only makes up 10-15% of any particular dog breed's behavior.
Dogs' Personalities Aren't Determined by Their Breed
A new genetic study shows generalizing breeds as affectionate or aggressive doesn’t hold up
Science | AAAS
www.science.org
For the record, we have three dogs - Border Collie, Labrador and Welsh Collie, yet only the last one is anything like what you'd expect of the breed.
As for rescue centres - Yes, a "certain breed"... mostly Border Collies, in the case of all our local ones. GSDs in many others.
In truth, you'll generally find a LOT of Terriers in rescue centres. Right now, even a quick look at Battersea shows a 3:7 ratio of Staffies to Labradors.
Staffies were, once upon a time, bred for fighting, yes... but thereafter all that aggression was subsequently and very deliberately bred out of the mainstream. It's only in recent times, and by unscrupulous puppy farmers, that they've been crossed with other more aggressive lines.
Soldato
Breeders are already required to be licenced, doesn't stop illegal breeding.
It's a legal requirement for all dogs to be microchipped before they're 8 weeks old, all dogs and owners can be traced by scanning the dog to read the microchip. Far more effective than a licencing system. Doesn't stop illegal dog ownership.
We're a nation of dog lovers with plenty of them in high places, leads only in public is never going to happen.
Soldato
Yes, it's very odd that we accept such a half-truth, given that the DNA only makes up 10-15% of any particular dog breed's behavior.
Dogs' Personalities Aren't Determined by Their Breed
A new genetic study shows generalizing breeds as affectionate or aggressive doesn’t hold upwww.scientificamerican.com
Science | AAAS
For the record, we have three dogs - Border Collie, Labrador and Welsh Collie, yet only the last one is anything like what you'd expect of the breed.
As for rescue centres - Yes, a "certain breed"... mostly Border Collies, in the case of all our local ones. GSDs in many others.
In truth, you'll generally find a LOT of Terriers in rescue centres. Right now, even a quick look at Battersea shows a 3:7 ratio of Staffies to Labradors.
Staffies were, once upon a time, bred for fighting, yes... but thereafter all that aggression was subsequently and very deliberately bred out of the mainstream. It's only in recent times, and by unscrupulous puppy farmers, that they've been crossed with other more aggressive lines.
Sadly rescue shelters are seeing a rise in all breeds, people are surrendering their pets purely down to the rise in cost of living
Soldato
Yea their animal rights are on par with china, as in non existent.
They also have a weird blase attitude, like "oh a cougar ate the neighbors dog watch out" or "my house mates dog has killed 4 cats and just killed my new room mates cat"
(couple of stories I remember hearing about)
Like they just don't give a ****.
I agree, it looks so wrong. When my other half wanted a Doberman she was adamant that it would not be docked or altered. The only stipulation that I had was that it had to get a job.
So many interviews but no luck sadly
. From a pup he was trained in various classes and he's such an amazingly well behaved dog. When out walking you'll still get people crossing the street because of their preconceived ideas about Dobermans and that's fine; I'd rather have that than people be overly familiar.The other dog in the picture (Rhodesian Ridgeback/Lab cross) is a different story. Rescued from an abusive home you can tell she's a bit broken; a lot better but older and still quite grumpy. She has taught me one thing - I'd never get another rescue dog, ever.
So I may appear hypocritical with our dogs and having one that's been obviously affected by bad nurture in it's past and arguing the killer instinct is in the breed etc, but I still stand by that. Good nurturing glosses over bad breeds' instincts but they are still there under the surface and in some cases it doesn't take much for that veneer to be removed.
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What worries me most about potentially dangerous large breed dogs is the possibility of it attacking my own dogs. For that reason I always keep my dogs well clear of the likes of Staffies or German Shepherds (on a lead or not). One of our dogs was attacked by a Collie and had her throat ripped but she survived after significant expenditure at the Vets. All/any dogs can be aggressive but not all can do a lot of damage in a short time, if that Collie had been a Staffie my dog would likely not have survived.
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By contrast, I'd always look to a rescue centre - All three of mine are rescues, two of which were clearly very abused mentally and physically, yet all of them have responded amazingly to being homed with humans who simply don't treat them like ****. Each has their own quirks of behaviour, none of which are associated with breed but which aren't detrimental to anyone either. I swore we'd never have a Collie, because they're all mad and too energetic... yet one down the rescue home was so un-Collie-like, she was perfect for us and far better behaved than most other dogs.
Breed has very little bearing on individual personality and behaviour.
Breeders tend to stick to specific purebreeds and 'designer' crossbreeds like Cockapoos.
Mongrel dogs tend to be better off, as being less 'inbred' means fewer health issues, but they're not big moneymakers, so breeders of them are generally limited to amateurs and one-off circumstances for teh sociable ones, and back-street puppy farmers for the nasty ones. Neither of them will be interested in licencing.
Owner licence & registration is a lovely idea, but licencing was scrapped yonks ago because so many people just ignored them, and would likely never work now because it'd require a massive force to enforce it... and registration would still get ignored by the scum.
On lead at all times also is never going to work, as many dogs need to actually RUN for proper exercise and no human can match them. I take mine to large publicly accessible places so they can run, albeit mostly at night when no-one else will be around to bother us, but partly because all the enclosed places (of which there are too few) charge insane money.
I agree about the extending leads, though!!
But most importantly - Yes we have all these as minimum requirements for other such things, yet we still have a great many offenders. About 2½ million people are prosecuted for motoring offenses each year, and that's just the few who are stupid enough to get caught, because there is a large force looking out for such issues.
You might have some luck by working on cultural change, to make ownership of certain dogs a very unfashionable thing (ideally starting with Pugs and all the other badly mutated/mutilated breeds that suffer simply from how they were bred), to negate the status of the status dogs that the scum love so much.
You may also get some luck from increasing the powers of the RSPCA and giving them some Police-like training to deal more heavily with bad owners.