Does something need to be done about dogs?
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Caporegime
Is this about dogs or something else?
Sorry thought this was the long spaghetti thread.
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Agree, no way can you be in control of that many dogs. Sad she cant even learn from the mistake.
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Id just like add to the point about biting that I would never ever leave my dogs alone with my nieces and nephews, even though the dogs absolutely love children. You just never know what will happen, they might pull tails or ears etc or just being over exuberant when the dogs want to sleep, although they seem to have been taught to act in the correct way.
Most councils do place limits on the number of dogs that can be walked. For my council, Sefton, it's six. Sadly, there are too many people that either aren't aware, or just don't care.
Six is more than enough if you're out in public spaces, but there are walkers out there that are just in it for the money. It does depend on the type, size, behaviour, training, of the dog though. I could happily walk six of my smaller dogs at one time (probably more tbh) but the others - four medium/large dogs, anything larger than a Collie, for example, is reasonable/safe.
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Yeah sadly I guess some people are just thinking about how much money can be made.
You get the younger people, just looking for a quick buck, and it's something they can do part time, during holidays. They usually undercut the professionals, and do take away their business, but they're quickly out of the picture as they've stopped, realised it's harder than they thought, or they've been dropped because the service is so bad.
You also get the boarders that aren't licensed. They're usually cheaper, for the same reasons above.
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It's perfectly possible in most cases and it's not especially complicated. The problem is that many owners do not pay enough attention to their dogs, do not take the time to learn their personalities and, most importantly, treat them like humans instead of dogs.
It's been proven many times that breeding and genetics don't actually have that much impact on behaviour. Something like 10-20% at best, I think it was.
The biggest factor comprises upbringing and human error.
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We’ve got some flats down the road from us and I swear there are more dogs than humans on the premises. One woman has 3 dogs (although don’t looks to be aggressive breeds) in a tiny 2 room flat, I can just imagine the smell. There’s another dude who I believe breeds them, has multiple staff type dogs and is constantly screaming at them. I’m pretty sure he’s on drugs on and off and is just a matter of time before something goes wrong with their dogs.
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Biggest pile of rubbish I've ever read.
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It would be interesting to see a source, id be surprised if its as low as that. I don't know how much the genetics play a part in personality like aggressive/friendliness or biddable/stubborn for example as opposed to specific breed traits like herding or pointing and retrieving.
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There has been a recent spate of publications about it, but I was reading about the same findings back in the early 90s.
The studies suggest about 9%. I expect it's probably a little higher, but still nowhere near high enough to make any breed stereotype a result of either general genetics or specific breeding.
Science | AAAS
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Dogs' Personalities Aren't Determined by Their Breed
A new genetic study shows generalizing breeds as affectionate or aggressive doesn’t hold up
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My Vizsla snapped at my Labrador the other day, but luckily I was right there to see why:
I was sitting on my small 2 seater sofa playing a game, the Vizsla was in a deep sleep next to me on a throw. There was no more room on it.
The Labrador who had been asleep on the carpet randomly decided to try and get on the sofa where the Vizsla was asleep, and I imagine what the Vizsla saw when waking from her deep sleep was a huge black figure towering over her, and just snarled and lunged suddenly at the Labrador, with her teeth showing.
I was sitting on my small 2 seater sofa playing a game, the Vizsla was in a deep sleep next to me on a throw. There was no more room on it.
The Labrador who had been asleep on the carpet randomly decided to try and get on the sofa where the Vizsla was asleep, and I imagine what the Vizsla saw when waking from her deep sleep was a huge black figure towering over her, and just snarled and lunged suddenly at the Labrador, with her teeth showing.
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Certain breeds are easier to train, require more exercise, require more training etc but that a complex thing and not simply "personality". I also wouldn't trust dog owners as far as I could throw them when it comes to surveys. Thats like asking parents if their child is a little **** or a misunderstood cherub. The number of parents who claim their kid is an angel after being arrested for the 50th time is astounding.
Most dogs behaviour is solely on the shoulder of the owners. The issue is that if that dog is a big and powerful one then the stakes are much higher. Its the same argument as to why its much more serious when a truck driver breaks road laws than when a cyclist does. One has far more potential for carnage and loss of life.
Most dogs behaviour is solely on the shoulder of the owners. The issue is that if that dog is a big and powerful one then the stakes are much higher. Its the same argument as to why its much more serious when a truck driver breaks road laws than when a cyclist does. One has far more potential for carnage and loss of life.
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Seems a mixed bag of opinions out thereThere has been a recent spate of publications about it, but I was reading about the same findings back in the early 90s.
The studies suggest about 9%. I expect it's probably a little higher, but still nowhere near high enough to make any breed stereotype a result of either general genetics or specific breeding.
Science | AAAS
Dogs' Personalities Aren't Determined by Their Breed
A new genetic study shows generalizing breeds as affectionate or aggressive doesn’t hold upwww.scientificamerican.com
I did come across
Genetic research confirms your dog's breed influences its personality—but so do youOver thousands of years of firm friendship between humans and dogs, we have successfully created about 350 different breeds. We've relied on terriers for hunting, sheepdogs for herding, and all for companionship—but how much are dog personalities defined by their breed?
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Your dog's behavior is a product of their genesFrom the excitable sheep dog to the aloof Shiba Inu, and all breeds in between, dogs have unique and diverse behavioral traits. By analyzing DNA samples from over 200 dog breeds along with nearly 50,000 pet-owner surveys, researchers have pinpointed many of the genes associated with the...
www.sciencedaily.com
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Vizslas seem to think they own all the sofas
When we got our newest pup there were a few times when the older one would have a go, maybe jealousy or resource guarding, we gave her plenty of affection and she got over it. Do still get the odd grumble from both, but that's normal.
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If it's most cases, it's not definitive they won't ever bite. I have a friend who brought a dog back from Cyprus, a country notorious for treating dogs badly. It's a very cute dog, which as you would expect, attracts a lot of attention. A gentleman went to stroke it when my friend was stood with the dog, on a lead, and it went for the guy.
My friend's (incorrect) response when the guy challenged that he was nearly bitten: "Shouldn't have tried to stroke him then"
I always told him the dog should be muzzled if he knew it could bite, which he did know because how the dog's bad upbringing in Cyprus made it untrusting of people. He didn't seem to understand that what I was saying was best for him and the dog, because the authorities wouldn't see it his way if it did eventually manage to catch someone with it's teeth.