Does something need to be done about dogs?

Foghorn Leghorn said:
The rescue centres we've looked at won't entertain families with children, probably for this reason.
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Yep but they obviously slip though and get left with families with young children or get left at friends with children unsupervised. There are countless European dog rehoming sites offering dogs they found on a back street in Romania. People I have seem are happy taking these as a cheap way to get a dog.

The focus needs to be on rescue dogs getting left with families with young pets.

The poster above has no clue how loyal a dog can be when it's been brought up in a loving home. They really are a man's best friend.
 
Wizzkidy said:
Yes, in general dogs are filthy, disgusting and dangerous creatures
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No they aren't. Domesticated dogs are in general NOT dangerous.

(sure they are filthy and disgusting compared to human hygiene standards but so are all animals).
 
Steven Rimmington said:
Yep but they obviously slip though and get left with families with young children or get left at friends with children unsupervised. There are countless European dog rehoming sites offering dogs they found on a back street in Romania. People I have seem are happy taking these as a cheap way to get a dog.

The focus needs to be on rescue dogs getting left with families with young pets.

The poster above has no clue how loyal a dog can be when it's been brought up in a loving home. They really are a man's best friend.
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Very true, there was a couple of rescue centres that insisted pets were given back to them rather than to other families if theyt could no longer look after them, how you'd be able to police that is anyone's guess.

We've always loved having a dog around, I've also warned my family that in the event of an emergency they can save themselves because I'll be rescuing the dog :D
 
Wizzkidy said:
Yes please, can you help?



Yes, in general dogs are filthy, disgusting and dangerous creatures



It's not very rarely at all, open your eyes.
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Do you know how many dogs help millions of disabled people get around and are able to live a relatively normal life?Are you saying these need to be put down? I could spend hours making a post where dogs are highly beneficial and cannot be replaced by machines or men. Come and spend a few hours with my Boxer and GSD and you will be surprised how happy they would make you feel. The attention and love you get is highly beneficial both physical and mentally.

People make mistakes and become serial killers, shall we kill all humans? I don't really understand what your saying other than it makes no sense and a very strange view point on killing all dogs. Strange behaviour.
 
Wizzkidy said:
If you have to add "in general" then we have a problem
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Not at all. We do not live in a perfect world of absolutes. The vast majority of domesticated dogs are not dangerous. Do they have the capability to be provoked into being dangerous if they are stupidly handled? Yes, but then i could say the same thing about your car, oven, or hairdryer. Almost anything and everything could become dangerous and life threatening if mishandled.

Nothing is perfect. Humans are far more dangerous than domesticated dogs.
 
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Wizzkidy said:
It's not very rarely at all, open your eyes.
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Your chances of being killed by a dog, are roughly 0.06 - 1.11 per 10 million population.

To help you understand what that means, where you have 10 million people - roughly 0.06 to 1.11 in every 10 million people will be killed by a dog, plus or minus a small amount.

Citation; https://www.medrxiv.org/content/medrxiv/early/2022/10/15/2022.10.14.22280913.full.pdf

In your tiny mind, what exactly would class as "rare"? 1 in 50 million? 1 in 100 million, billions? :confused:
 
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Do not put dogs in the same category as humans, this is where you are going wrong. Dogs do not have the mental capacity like a human. The world would be a better place without them.
 
We are constantly shying away from the fact that some breeds of dogs were bred, over hundreds of years, to be good at killing... on command in theory, but commands aren't absolute. Their jaws and faces are made for it. So even if they're the bestest boy ever, they are still capable of great damage, very quickly, in the few seconds it takes to cause irreparable harm.

Most such dogs will never get triggered. Many may be incapable of being triggered, but there are lethal animals walking our streets and while any dog can be lethal if it runs out in front of a car, the breeds with the most powerful jaws are a particular case and a particular risk. All the "but I trained it well!" waffle can't change that.

But we live in an age where authority means nothing. Any regulations, if introduced, will be skirted within an inch of their legal limits, and some men will continue to walk around with legal weaponry on the end of a lead.

And I say all this with 40 years of border collie experience in the family, and plenty of folk would consider them bad family animals. Nobody's ever deliberately left a dog alone with a child though (though I'm sure it's happened briefly). Collies don't have very powerful jaws, but children don't have very strong faces and limbs.

Ultimately, this thread will go on, more people will die, and nothing will change except for a bit of occasional and thoroughly pointless venting... like this.
 
Wizzkidy said:
Do not put dogs in the same category as humans, this is where you are going wrong. Dogs do not have the mental capacity like a human. The world would be a better place without them.
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Go to your local police station spend a day with a police dog unit and come back and you may realise just how superior a GSD is over a human in this setting. Stop been strange, a dog isn't just a pet. There are a million tasks a dog can do better than a human. I really don't understand how the world would be better.

Again ask a blind person you are taking there dog off them. What do you think there response would be?
 
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Screeeech said:
Well, it's a bit of an asinine thing to suggest isn't it?

We just go out and murder 13 million dogs, right off the bat - because very rarely, (and it is very rarely) something bad happens.
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May as well go and murder 14 million under-18s too, as they've killed more humans than dogs will have.

The level of intelligence from some people astounds me. But this is GD after all.
 
Screeeech said:
Your chances of being killed by a dog, are roughly 0.06 - 1.11 per 10 million population.

To help you understand what that means, where you have 10 million people - roughly 0.06 to 1.11 in every 10 million people will be killed by a dog, plus or minus a small amount.

Citation; https://www.medrxiv.org/content/medrxiv/early/2022/10/15/2022.10.14.22280913.full.pdf

In your tiny mind, what exactly would class as "rare"? 1 in 50 million? 1 in 100 million, billions? :confused:
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Those numbers don't add up with the uk population and number of deaths from dog attacks.
They also completely neglect the 100s of thousands of injuries (see my OP).
 
Andrew_McP said:
We are constantly shying away from the fact that some breeds of dogs were bred, over hundreds of years, to be good at killing... on command in theory, but commands aren't absolute. Their jaws and faces are made for it. So even if they're the bestest boy ever, they are still capable of great damage, very quickly, in the few seconds it takes to cause irreparable harm.

Most such dogs will never get triggered. Many may be incapable of being triggered, but there are lethal animals walking our streets and while any dog can be lethal if it runs out in front of a car, the breeds with the most powerful jaws are a particular case and a particular risk. All the "but I trained it well!" waffle can't change that.

But we live in an age where authority means nothing. Any regulations, if introduced, will be skirted within an inch of their legal limits, and some men will continue to walk around with legal weaponry on the end of a lead.

And I say all this with 40 years of border collie experience in the family, and plenty of folk would consider them bad family animals. Nobody's ever deliberately left a dog alone with a child though (though I'm sure it's happened briefly). Collies don't have very powerful jaws, but children don't have very strong faces and limbs.

Ultimately, this thread will go on, more people will die, and nothing will change except for a bit of occasional and thoroughly pointless venting... like this.
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But the fact is, these things are rare, and we don't just stop doing things because there is a very slim possibility it might go wrong. Otherwise no one would ever do anything.

Odds of Dying - Injury Facts

Knowing the odds of dying is the first step in beating them. New 2022 data shows the risks from plane crashes, guns, falls and more.
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Look at that, being killed by a dog is one of the least likely ways to die.
 
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