Does something need to be done about dogs?

Which is obviously a big problem because the majority of these people don't have money to begin with ergo the only solution is manslaughter charges for the owner and maybe we'll finally get a handle on people buying pets they don't actually want/can't look after before abandoning them/throwing them away to charities to deal with.

Oh and make it so the original dog breeder is equally as liable.
 
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here - you claim the owning the dog will be less detrimental to society than a kid, so dogs will be more beneficial to society than humans - yes?

but now it's just a 'can be'

they are, in this case, mutually exclusive - you can't hold both beliefs to be true.
I was more talking about the environmental impact of having children, so I wasn't thinking dogs will be more beneficial to society than humans.
 
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I was more talking about the environmental impact of having children, so I wasn't thinking dogs will be more beneficial to society than humans.
Yes but if we don't have children society will die out, literally. So I guess it depends if you think it's narcissistic to enjoy life but not let anyone have one after you are gone :confused:
 
Yes but if we don't have children society will die out, literally. So I guess it depends if you think it's narcissistic to enjoy life but not let anyone have one after you are gone :confused:
I'm not even saying people shouldn't have children, but they are not doing it for some greater good for society, they are doing it because they want to. Not sure if I'm reading the second part of your post correctly but nobody gets the choice as to whether they get to enjoy life or not and ultimately when they are gone its all moot for that person anyway.
 
I'm not even saying people shouldn't have children, but they are not doing it for some greater good for society, they are doing it because they want to
But you’ve said they have them because they think the world needs them, surely that sort of contradicts the above ‘they are not doing it for the greater good of society’ - if they think the world needs them I’d take that to mean, at least in part, they think society needs them so then they kinda are doing it for the greater good of society.

But, again, I’ve yet to meet any parent who decided to have a child because they think the world needs their little Johnny or Mary.

And of course they are doing it because they want to. I’d suggest it’s not a great idea to have kids (or dogs) if you don’t want to!!
 
The issue is that you're citing nothing more substantial than headlines. The same headlines that claim Staffies jaws lock shut, and other such bullcrappery.

Unless you doubt that there are lots of Staffies & smilar in shelters why is that an issue? This is something that has been reported multiple times by shelters and animal rescue organisations.

This age-old assertion people make about rescue centres being full of nothing but pitbulls and other dangerous status dogs is one of several popular inaccuracies. I had to prove it to my wife before she'd even consider a rescue dog, and every time it's cropped up on the forum threads it's not held up to examination.

That doesn't even make sense, bull terriers being common at shelters != bull terriers are the only dogs available. Why should the presence of lots of bull terriers prevent you from adopting some other dog. Is some labrador or whippet somehow tainted by the presence of bull terriers in other pens?

This age-old assertion people make about rescue centres being full of nothing but pitbulls and other dangerous status dogs is one of several popular inaccuracies.

Based on what exactly? Again, you've posted nothing...
 
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Unless you doubt that there are lots of Staffies & smilar in shelters why is that an issue? This is something that has been reported multiple times by shelters and animal rescue organisations.
That doesn't even make sense, bull terriers being common at shelters != bull terriers are the only dogs available. Why should the presence of lots of bull terriers prevent you from adopting some other dog. Is some labrador or whippet somehow tainted by the presence of bull terriers in other pens?

Based on what exactly? Again, you've posted nothing...
Surely you should be happy a number of these dogs are locked up in a shelter rather than being out with families since they are so dangerous?

Or maybe, just the people who buy these dogs for the status/aggression as you say, do not realise how difficult it is to own a dog and give them up, again that points to an issue with the owner rather than breed of dog.
 
Surely you should be happy a number of these dogs are locked up in a shelter rather than being out with families since they are so dangerous?

What does that have to do with anything re: a proposed ban?

Or maybe, just the people who buy these dogs for the status/aggression as you say, do not realise how difficult it is to own a dog and give them up, again that points to an issue with the owner rather than breed of dog.

But I don't say that, the point was that they're common in general, that they're obviously not just bought by people for the status/aggression. How have you ended up reading the total opposite point there?

I literally gave an example of someone who was attacked by a friend's pet and owns a bull terrier herself earlier in the thread.

These breeds are just owned by regular families.

Also, let's assume for the sake of argument that what you say is true, that behaviour is all down to the owner... well that doesn't negate the point either, a small Yorkshire terrier badly behaved as a result of a bad owner isn't capable of doing anywhere near the sort of damage that a bull terrier type dog can so it's kinda moot to make up that excuse anyway.
 
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a small Yorkshire terrier badly behaved as a result of a bad owner isn't capable of doing anywhere near the sort of damage that a bull terrier type dog can so it's kinda moot to make up that excuse anyway.

Jack Russells, Terriers and other small dogs have killed young children, I'd call that pretty damaging.

Edit: Although for most people I agree you could drop kick a yapping little dog more easily than a Great Dane
 
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Jack Russells, Terriers and other small dogs have killed young children, I'd call that pretty damaging.

Edit: Although for most people I agree you could drop kick a yapping little dog more easily than a Great Dane

Yes, any dog can be a risk, the point is that some are far riskier.
 
But you’ve said they have them because they think the world needs them, surely that sort of contradicts the above ‘they are not doing it for the greater good of society’ - if they think the world needs them I’d take that to mean, at least in part, they think society needs them so then they kinda are doing it for the greater good of society.

But, again, I’ve yet to meet any parent who decided to have a child because they think the world needs their little Johnny or Mary.

And of course they are doing it because they want to. I’d suggest it’s not a great idea to have kids (or dogs) if you don’t want to!!
I obviously wasn't as clear last night as I thought :cry:

What I meant by that, and it was an off the cuff remark was that it stems from the egotistical point I was making not because they think its for the benefit of society. People make the decision to have children because its a benefit to their life and adds a purpose for their existence.

I'm aware I'm coming across as The Child Catcher but I don't hate children or people that decide to have them.
 
Unless you doubt that there are lots of Staffies & smilar in shelters why is that an issue? This is something that has been reported multiple times by shelters and animal rescue organisations.
There are a lot, but they are by no means the most common. To say otherwise is pretty misleading, which is exactly the sort of thing that has led to this and several other breeds being so badly misrepresented. If there are multiple reports (rather than just the one citation which seems to get referenced a lot, but without any link to the actual data) then let's have it...

That doesn't even make sense, bull terriers being common at shelters != bull terriers are the only dogs available. Why should the presence of lots of bull terriers prevent you from adopting some other dog. Is some labrador or whippet somehow tainted by the presence of bull terriers in other pens?
And yet that is precisely the reputation that has plagued rescue centres for many years. Many people won't even look at a rescue centre because they heard (or read) that it's full of Staffies and other 'dangerous' or 'banned' dogs, or that every rescue dog is a slavering, muderous child-killer just waiting to be unleashed.
It's not true, and even a cursory glance through some rescue websites will easily demonstrate that... but still, people have picked this crap up from sensationalist headlines or even well-meaning articles, and believe it instead of going to see for themselves.

Based on what exactly? Again, you've posted nothing...
Wow, really going in for the multiquoting, and even double-quoting... There may be hope for you yet!

What part requires a basis? That people assert this, or that it's not true?
That people assert it - Aside from my own anecdotal evidence, try just talking to people - You'll even find it in this and similar threads.
That it's not true - I again ask for some published statistics that actually substantiate it, otherwise I can only conclude that it's not true. Conversely, I've spent a lot of time looking carefully through the lists at various rescue centres over the past 16 years, even to the point of checking every week for several months straight, and while bull terrier types are common, not once have I seen an overwhelming number of them.

Yes, any dog can be a risk, the point is that some are far riskier.
Technically true, but the biggest element of risk is not in the breed of dog. Breed type alone has already been shown to have only a minor influence on a dog's behaviour, and if physical characteristics were the defining factor then there are plenty of other dogs capable of doing far more devastating damage than bull terrier types.
 
I obviously wasn't as clear last night as I thought :cry:
ah it's cool. nothing like a few shandies on a friday night :)
What I meant by that, and it was an off the cuff remark was that it stems from the egotistical point I was making not because they think its for the benefit of society. People make the decision to have children because its a benefit to their life and adds a purpose for their existence.
that's quite a bit different from what you originally claimed but again i don't agree with your opinions but as you're not prepared to discuss why or how you've formed the opinions you have there's no point continuing the discussion.
I'm aware I'm coming across as The Child Catcher but I don't hate children or people that decide to have them.
na, you're grand, you ain't coming across that way. you just appear to have weird ideas on why people have kids but no idea why you have them, which might explain why you won't discuss the reasons for having those opinions.
 
My view is dogs shouldn’t be allowed off the leash in public places.

Regardless of how well trained a dog might be, all it takes is for it to see something that sets it off, whether it be curiosity, anxiety etc and it’ll be hard to call it back.

I’ve had many a time dogs off leash aggressively approach my dog on a leash, and they ignore the owners commands.

This doesnt bode well, I was going to past its a 4 figure count of dog attacks in last year, but then wanted to double check as I have been called out before, and its actually 5 figures. O_o

Of course not all will be in public places we know attacks happen on private property, in homes etc. as well.

The number of dog attacks recorded by police in England and Wales has risen by more than a third in the past five years, a BBC investigation has found. Last year, there were nearly 22,000 cases of out-of-control dogs causing injury. In 2018, there were just over 16,000

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