Does something need to be done about dogs?
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They've been frequently reported as being the most common, in what way does that badly misrepresent a breed? And why does it matter if in some instance some other breed takes the top spot? The point was about how common they are. Ackchually they're in 2nd place now at some shelters doesn't negate that point.
Suppose for the sake of argument that they were most common a few years ago but are 2nd or 3rd most common now? So what? That doesn't change the argument being made (the point of mentioning it was to highlight that they're common family pets). Unless you're going to claim they're actually rare then it's a bit of a pointless objection and again you've provided nothing yourself.
But that isn't the claim being made, that some breed is the most common != that breed is the only one available. Whether some reputation stops people from going to shelters or not isn't really relevant to the point being made or to this discussion, how does any of that relate to my argument? You're just going off on some tangential point about some difficulties shelters have in finding new owners which has no relevance here.
Bull terrier types are a clear outlier when it comes to dog deaths.
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Perhaps I shouldn't have used the word narcissism, maybe a bit strong, I wasn't out to offend anyone's choice to have kids. I do see it as being born from self-interest rather than some altruistic act for the benefit of the human race, its "I want" and to satisfy a desire but I guess that's true for most of the things we humans do.ah it's cool. nothing like a few shandies on a friday night
that's quite a bit different from what you originally claimed but again i don't agree with your opinions but as you're not prepared to discuss why or how you've formed the opinions you have there's no point continuing the discussion.
na, you're grand, you ain't coming across that way. you just appear to have weird ideas on why people have kids but no idea why you have them, which might explain why you won't discuss the reasons for having those opinions.
I'm not taking anything away from the sacrifice and effort of raising a child but the creation of a that child comes from a place of self-betterment.
The whole dog being a benefit etc, yeah I was talking about two different things but my posts were a bit confusing.
No offence taken at all, I know you weren’t having a pop at parents or kids, likewise I wasn’t having a pop at you. I also get what you’re saying but I was more curious as to why you hold those beliefs and why you think it’s true for all parents. But it’s probably a discussion for a separate thread but I imagine it would turn into a car crash instead of an interesting debate lol
so I’ll get back on track. Dogs and people are bad!!
There needs to be a lot more done about noise from dogs. I have a few neighbours who seem to think it's ok to leave their dog in the garden barking early in the morning or all evening, which is super annoying. More fines need to be dished out.
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Reported is not the same as proven or demonstrated... And the inaccuracy matters, as evidenced from the fact that I said this* sort of thing leads to bad misrepresentation, not that it directly misrepresents.
Even if they were more common a few years ago than now, then that matters too, as it would suggest that fewer are ending up in rescue centres because owners are being more responsible.
The objection is over inaccuracies that already led people to badly wrong conclusions being repeated and thus perpetuating the misrepresentation.
If you wanted to make the point, why not just say they were among the most common rather than incorrectly putting them at the top spot?
I never said it was the claim asserted here, but nonetheless it is another common example of how perpetuated inaccuracies and unsubstatiated assertions lead to the reputations that result in such problems. In this instance the reputations of rescue centres mean fewer people would go there to get a dog and instead turn to breeders, which also perpetuates the market for more back-alley status dogs.
As you yourself said, the reasoning doesn't make sense, and that's because it's not true, yet people don't consider that. They just bleat and repeat the headlines, as you have done.
Are you basing this purely on number of attacks/kills counted, or are you measuring the percentage of owned dogs within each breed that end up attacking?
*"This sort of thing" specifically meaning the perpetuation of unsubstantiated headline assertions, in case you were wondering...
How does that matter here? You're making some vague point re: misrepresentation that seemingly has nothing to do with my argument. If it does then please explain the relevance to the point I made?
Here you go from the RSPCA to add to the other links:
Love-a-bull Staffies: The 'misunderstood' breed - RSPCA
The number of Staffies coming into our care falls by 34% over five years
www.rspca.org.uk
They were the most common breed for the RSPCA in 2019 and have frequently been reported as the most common in the press at various times. But suppose, for the sake of argument, they're now in 2nd or 3rd place in 2023, does that matter re: the point actually made? Nope, it doesn't. You've provided nothing here, no links, no data and just seem to want to go off about some unrelated point.
Even if they're now just one of the most popular the point still applies which was that these dogs are common and owned as family pets, not just some niche breed only owned by people who want a status dog.
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Using the links you already gave, I countered their assertions, and now using your link to the RSPCA I find 47 Lurchers, but only 35 Staffies listed.How does that matter here? You're making some vague point re: misrepresentation that seemingly has nothing to do with my argument. If it does then please explain the relevance to the point I made?
Here you go from the RSPCA to add to the other links:
Love-a-bull Staffies: The 'misunderstood' breed - RSPCA
The number of Staffies coming into our care falls by 34% over five years
They were the most common breed for the RSPCA in 2019 and have frequently been reported as the most common in the press at various times. But suppose, for the sake of argument, they're now in 2nd or 3rd place in 2023, does that matter re: the point actually made? Nope, it doesn't. You've provided nothing here, no links, no data and just seem to want to go off about some unrelated point.
Even if they're now just one of the most popular the point still applies which was that these dogs are common and owned as family pets, not just some niche breed only owned by people who want a status dog.
The Dogs Trust has 87 Lurchers but only 59 Staffies, along with 50 GSDs, 50 Jack Russells, 45 Border Collies, 31 Labradors - That's far from being "the most common breed of dog at basically every shelter in the UK"...
And yes, they may have been the most common breed for the RSPCA, but there are far more rescue centres around that neither make nor support this assertion. Even locally, there are centres that specialise in a single breed - We have two Border Collie ones and a GSD one, each of which has 15-20 dogs at any one time.
I already explained the relevance to the point you were trying to make and why your inclusion of this headline assertion is only detrimental to that point.
I am confused by the statement so Dogs are more important than children?
im sorry but some of the comments here especially someone having children is to fulfil their ego is downright silly I have children of my own and wouldn't trade them for anything and I definitely don't have a ego that I am better than someone who doesn't have children the way I see it you either have them or you dont and appreciate what you get.
anyway back to dogs killings are getting way to regular there needs to be a better law/fine or jail to find a way to stop this especially with young children involved.
im sorry but some of the comments here especially someone having children is to fulfil their ego is downright silly I have children of my own and wouldn't trade them for anything and I definitely don't have a ego that I am better than someone who doesn't have children the way I see it you either have them or you dont and appreciate what you get.
anyway back to dogs killings are getting way to regular there needs to be a better law/fine or jail to find a way to stop this especially with young children involved.
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Don’t know why people even bother to discuss a ban on staffies. It will never ever happen. It was raised a couple of years back in parliament and dismissed completely out of hand.
In an office for work today, their chief happiness officer is a staffie.
Its a killer, its bit 3 workers and has to be locked inside the accounts office when it gets bought to site....
Oh wait, I am lying, its the soppiest thing in the world, happily walking up and down the office, all the staff love it and pet it apart from one who has a fear of dogs overall, not just the breed.
End of the day, this killer is not a killer and we can all say how dangerous they are, can be etc etc. If they are bought up properly and carefully, they will turn out lovely.
Maybe Dowie is scared of dogs and based on his arguments, I would actually say he has not owned a dog either.
Argument is all about locking jaws which is the most pathetic argument in here. Any dog owner will tell you the numerous ways you can de-lock a dogs jaw.
Its a killer, its bit 3 workers and has to be locked inside the accounts office when it gets bought to site....
Oh wait, I am lying, its the soppiest thing in the world, happily walking up and down the office, all the staff love it and pet it apart from one who has a fear of dogs overall, not just the breed.
End of the day, this killer is not a killer and we can all say how dangerous they are, can be etc etc. If they are bought up properly and carefully, they will turn out lovely.
Maybe Dowie is scared of dogs and based on his arguments, I would actually say he has not owned a dog either.
Argument is all about locking jaws which is the most pathetic argument in here. Any dog owner will tell you the numerous ways you can de-lock a dogs jaw.
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It was dismissed because it was horse****, PETA petitioned the government to have them added to the dangerous dogs list based on their perceived reputation from many generations back.
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Any attempt to ban them would get exactly the same reaction today.
What a way to sum up 58 pages!
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There's no dog on the planet with a jaw that locks, it isn't a thing. What they do have is very strong muscles and on occasion a refusal to let go, but there's no physical mechanism in a dogs jaw to lock it.
Tetanus infection is known as lockjaw, that causes the muscles to contract in your neck and jaw making if very difficult to open your mouth. Affects dogs and humans (possibly other animals too)
@dowie this might be useful for yourself with the misinformation you seem to spout in here.
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Easiest way to get a dog to let go is to stick your finger up its bum,mor lift its back legs higher than his head to remove his leverage
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What's scary is people who just let them run riot in parks bordering roads. I've seen a few dart in to the local road, owners can get done for that if the police see it.
As for bites. Don't go nice if you get attacked, boots to the head/face as hard as possible.
As for bites. Don't go nice if you get attacked, boots to the head/face as hard as possible.
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Said by someone who has obviously never been attacked by a bull terrier
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That. If anything much bigger than a yorkie decides it's having a go at you (and I mean having a go, not just a warning chomp) then you are ******.
Our local police station has a dog training facility, the open day demonstration with the dogs is quite something. Whatever you do don't run, you'll just die tired
