Does something need to be done about dogs?

dowie said:
That says it all really - I cite Battersea and the RSPCA you come back with... nothing... if you're going to dispute real data from rescue orgs and actual reported claims from them then provide some of your own! It's not an "argument from authority" to point out that one of the biggest shelters, Battersea, had more Staffies than any other breed.
Click to expand...
Your argument appeals to the authority of newspapers widely reporting something. Frequently asserting something does not make it true.
Moreover, you asserted "every rescue centre in the UK, not just two. To that end, you have only a couple of numbers that account for only 0.2% of the total number of shelters, and no actual reports published by them to give any verifiable context either.... Pot, kettle, the burden of proof lies with you on that.

If you want actual data, for either argument, you'll have to approach centres on an individual basis.
One way is to subscribe to their weekly mailouts. Another is to go round them and look at what dogs they have in. I've done both and while their stats are often available on request, many do not publish their stats in convenient online briefings... partly because those who usually want to know (be they industries, universities, governments or private individuals) just get the collective data through one of the central database operators, of which the Kennel Club is the most prominent.

So, unless your stats come from at least the majority of shelters across the UK, your assertions is baseless.

dowie said:
I'm not going to trust your anecdotes as you made basic errors previously like conflating most common = all dogs
Click to expand...
What, like you conflated two shelters = every shelter in the entire UK?
More importantly, *I* never made that assertion. I cited that as an example of an inaccurate assumption commonly made by other people, who have done as you did earlier in the thread.

dowie said:
Yet you don't post any data, you're confusing pedigree breeds registered with the kennel club here. IF you're going to claim that the data on the number of staffies and staffie crosses in the UK as a whole is available then post it? Back in reality Staffies and staffie crosses are a common dog and common enough that various rescue dogs have reported them as the most common in their shelters, not all of those will be registered with the kennel club (the crosses especially are less likely to be) as it's an org concerned with pedigree dogs but again why not address the point:
Click to expand...

I'm confusing nothing. Take a look at one of the other operators and see their stats for the past 10 years. Registrations done directly through KC account for about a third of the total registrations.
Maybe actually read some of the KC reports, wherein you'll see that they're not just focussed on pedigrees or even purebreeds... which is probably why they say they "have been registering crossbreed dogs for over 50 years". Pretty long time to be not concerned with something!

As for registration - Anyone with any level of interest in their 'non-niche, family' dog will have had it chipped and thus registered, including crossbreeds. The rate of compliance is about 94% on average, with a further unspecified percentage of dogs certified medically exempt by vets.
Those coming into shelters without a microchip will promptly get chipped and registered at that shelter. So the number of unregistered dogs in general is fairly low, of which the percentage of those that are unregistered Staffies will be lower still.

Your point about dogs in shelters = common overall still is not substantiated:

dowie said:
Now, assume, for the sake of argument it has perhaps fallen to 2nd or 3rd place in various shelters now in 2023 (again you've not provided any data to dispute anything here) that doesn't negate my point which was that the breed was common and not some niche breed.
Click to expand...
I know it's not a niche breed, but your assertion doesn't support the point either way. It only proves that a lot of that breed end up abandoned, surrendered or confiscated, and that the number of those suffering such fates is lessening.
Moreover, that wasn't even the assertion I was challenging.
 
@ttaskmaster

If you don't even disagree with the crux of my argument and you're just sperging out over multiple days and multiple posts now because you don't like the fact re: shelters being mentioned as an aside then that seems rather pointless as you have provided nothing other than your own flawed personal anecdotes to refute it.

It certainly isn't an argument from authority to refer to factual claims from the likes of Battersea, RSPCA and the Dogs Trust.

Replying to me again with more waffle and no evidence seems utterly pointless and probably quite boring for everyone else reading the thread so either back up your positon with more than anecdotes of bore off, please.
 
Last edited:
bloodiedathame said:
The rough family down the road has just bought three Pitbulls. Will be securing our garden even further this weekend (I don't trust the family to train those dogs properly).
Click to expand...
idiots and these types of dogs are synonymous unfortunately, i know that's stating the obvious. they can't have guns full stop, they're not supposed to have knives in public, etc, but they can have dogs that can have the potential to easily cause serious harm or even kill. btw aren't pitbulls banned?
 
tyke_ said:
idiots and these types of dogs are synonymous unfortunately, i know that's stating the obvious. they can't have guns full stop, they're not supposed to have knives in public, etc, but they can have dogs that can have the potential to easily cause serious harm or even kill. btw aren't pitbulls banned?
Click to expand...

Pitbulls are banned.

The problem is that you can acquire an Amerucan bulldog or Bully XL legally. These are, effectively, pitbulls but are outside the scope of the current legislation.
 
Probably not pitbulls but look very similar. I really hope I don't come across all three of them off-lead when walking my dog. Might have to take a baseball bat out with me just in case. I'm serious.
 
Last edited:
dowie said:
@ttaskmaster

If you don't even disagree with the crux of my argument and you're just sperging out over multiple days and multiple posts now because you don't like the fact re: shelters being mentioned as an aside then that seems rather pointless as you have provided nothing other than your own flawed personal anecdotes to refute it.

It certainly isn't an argument from authority to refer to factual claims from the likes of Battersea, RSPCA and the Dogs Trust.

Replying to me again with more waffle and no evidence seems utterly pointless and probably quite boring for everyone else reading the thread so either back up your positon with more than anecdotes of bore off, please.
Click to expand...

The point is that you have no more evidence for your flawed assertion than I have against it, for the very same reason.
 
Something need to be done about dog owners more like.
I take it everyone here has seen the american bulldog XL that attacked the police horse in a park in London today / yesterday?

Either the police horses are useless which i doubt, or the police officer on the horse didnt have the proper training. Arent police horses supposed to weigh over a tonne, one stomp and the dog would be flat. Guess it was a pitbull xl, which are quite powerful and probably have a nasty bite
 
A free running horse used to unruly dogs can give a lethal or disabling kick, one trained to be stable, with a saddled rider is less likely to despatch a dog attacking it effectively. Of course, if police over here were routinely armed, as they need to be, the mounted policeman could have shot the bloody thing.
 
Last edited:
Kelt said:
Surprised no one has mentioned the police horse that was attacked yesterday, by Coco, the American Bully.
Click to expand...

Obligatory Metro link - https://metro.co.uk/2023/03/23/lond...tacks-police-horse-in-victoria-park-18490767/

Looking at the video shows the dog off the lead and out of control in a park where there are other dogs, children, prams as you'd expect in a public space. Something was bound to go wrong, luckily it was a horse that could fight back.

The owner is now blaming the horse. Everybody else's fault but theirs. If we can't trust owners to look after these types of dogs then we have to take the nuclear approach.
 
Mysterae_ said:
That might be a bit harsh, 365 days of picking up dog **** barehanded in the local park might be more appropriate.
Click to expand...
Nah, kill them all stone dead.
Follow this with putting down parents of unruly teenage yobs, crushing cars of bad drivers with said bad driver still in the vehicle, disabling anyone who parks in a disabled bay without a blue badge, etc...
 
Seen a horrible video of a police horse been attacked by an out of control dog.

Yet another dog with no lead. Owner was even scared to try and retrieve his own dog, some other people helped.

--edit--

See its mentioned posts above, I assume its the same attack.
 
Last edited:
chrcoluk said:
Seen a horrible video of a police horse been attacked by an out of control dog.

Yet another dog with no lead. Owner was even scared to try and retrieve his own dog, some other people helped.

--edit--

See its mentioned posts above, I assume its the same attack.
Click to expand...

I think the owner was that **** in the camo type tracksuit, at the end some other guy managed to grab it and control it, while the owner just stands about 10 metres away.
What a ******** *****.
This type of dog along with other dangerous breeds should just be banned, and the owner put down as well.
Having a dog like that off the lead really shows what type of person that guy is.
 
Last edited:
Kelt said:
Surprised no one has mentioned the police horse that was attacked yesterday, by Coco, the American Bully.
'She's so friendly. With any human she's so good. I don't know why it happened', said the owner, Hakan Niyazi.
Click to expand...
Click to expand...

Similar cope that some come out with in this thread... yet another confused owner who thinks they're good and their dog is harmless etc.

Mysterae_ said:
Obligatory Metro link - https://metro.co.uk/2023/03/23/lond...tacks-police-horse-in-victoria-park-18490767/

Looking at the video shows the dog off the lead and out of control in a park where there are other dogs, children, prams as you'd expect in a public space. Something was bound to go wrong, luckily it was a horse that could fight back.

The owner is now blaming the horse. Everybody else's fault but theirs. If we can't trust owners to look after these types of dogs then we have to take the nuclear approach.
Click to expand...

Exactly and to be fair, the park is a place where dogs generally should be allowed off lead.

There are way too many of these bull terrier-type dogs around and no need for them to even exist, people can quite easily own other dogs instead.

Lots of dogs get nervous around horses but you don't tend to hear of say a cocker spaniel doing this, similar incident last month too with a Staffie:

www.wirralglobe.co.uk

‘It was nine minutes of hell’: The moment a dog attacks a horse on Leasowe Bay

A HORSE owner and rider are warning owners to keep their dogs on leads in public places after they experienced a “horrific” attack.
www.wirralglobe.co.uk www.wirralglobe.co.uk
A spokesperson for Merseyside Police told the Globe: “We can confirm that officers are investigating a dangerous dog incident in Wirral.

“At around 10.15am on Wednesday 25 January, a white Staffordshire bull terrier off its lead reportedly chased a horse on the beach at Leasowe Bay.

"The dog barked aggressively, and reportedly made attempts to bite the horse, who was left distressed.
Click to expand...
 
Last edited:
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom