Does something need to be done about dogs?

Dis86 said:
You need to ask yourself that as you're the one that thought they were a great example to support your argument!
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My argument is that things that have a genuine and important use beyond simply killing someone as efficiently as possible, shouldn't be banned just because they can cause injury, or in very rare cases, death.

I simply don't think "sports shooting", which can be done in a safe and controlled environment anyway, is any sort of excuse as to why people need to own firearms.
 
200sols said:
Going fishing.
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I was talking more generally (like why you'd need one going to buy some apples or something). Obviously knifes are a useful tool in a wide variety of areas beyond killing someone, hence why you can own them and use them for said things.
 
Jono8 said:
I was talking more generally (like why you'd need one going to buy some apples or something). Obviously knifes are a useful tool in a wide variety of areas beyond killing someone, hence why you can own them and use them for said things.
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Yes, in the end this thread goes in circles and I see today we are back comparing dogs to knives and guns. We already have the banned breeds list, perhaps update it to include the worst offenders but people wanting to ban dogs are crazy.
 
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StriderX said:
Extremely unethical hot take here but what if we have a prison that houses bad dog owners... with their rabid dogs?
The extremely unethical part is to not feed the dogs.
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Given that the dogs will have likely been trained to fear said owner, I don't think that would work.

Dis86 said:
You can't go carrying them around in public...
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Can't you?
Oh... then how are so many knife-carrying criminals able to carry kitchen knives, then? What mystical power do they possess that allows them to manage this, when the rest of us are physically prevented from doing so?
Are they wizards?

200sols said:
Yes, in the end this thread goes in circles and I see today we are back comparing dogs to knives and guns. We already have the banned breeds list, perhaps update it to include the worst offenders but people wanting to ban dogs are crazy.
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Banning just results in more crossbreeding to get around the law with a technicality, or forces them to start brutalising other breeds.
 
ttaskmaster said:
Banning just results in more crossbreeding to get around the law with a technicality, or forces them to start brutalising other breeds.
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Why can't do something like they did with the pyschoactive substances act ? That was brought in as a catch all because legal high makers kept tweaking the chemical recipes when one high was banned in order to technically get around it
 
Minusorange said:
Why can't do something like they did with the pyschoactive substances act ? That was brought in as a catch all because legal high makers kept tweaking the chemical recipes when one high was banned in order to technically get around it
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Why not? Several reasons.
Firstly, any law can be ignored by a criminal. Laws don't stop a crime, they only punish after the fact.
Secondly, that very act has been widely criticised and even the government's own advisors stated that it was unworkable.
Thirdly, you'd have to set out exactly what element of any given crossbred dog qualifies it for banning, and establish a means of proving beyond all doubt whether any given dog does or does not qualify.
Fourthly, you'd have to proactively enforce this legislation, on pretty much every single dog, in order for it to have any effect on stopping 'dangerous breeds' from harming people.

I hate to bring up guns again, but imagine trying to take all those Constitutionally protected guns away from Americans.
They already tried that with alcohol, even amending the Constitution, before having to amend the amendment when the earlier amendment failed...

And yet plenty of other nations have high gun ownership without the same levels of KSI incidents... because the problem is a cultural one, not a legislative one. Change the cultural issues and you change the gun crime.
Same here - People owning dogs that are susceptible to undesirable behaviour when improperly treated, or acting irresponsibly in respect of their duties as a keeper, is a cultural thing. Focus instead on changing those elements.
 
Dog beach bans

Until recently I lived near a beach (Southsea, Portsmouth) for over 20 years and never saw any dog mess or a dog bothering anyone. The dog mess is huge issue in the streets leading towards beach and open green areas.

Pointless as there will be no police around to enforce the ban. Also, the ban not affecting all beaches will lead to confusion about whether to challenge a dog owner or not.

I've never been comfortable around dogs, even small ones, but I can see the fun the dogs have on the beaches and it'll be a shame to ban them.

If the concern is public health then do somehing about all the litter and smashed beer bottles.

Another poorly thought policy which will make it difficult for people to get out in the open and exercise. Now dog owners will have to arrange dog care when planning a day at the beach with kids, or drive miles to a beach where dogs are allowed. Already seen too many popular coastal walking paths ruined by the council implementing expensive parking charges.
 
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Mujja said:
Dog beach bans

Until recently I lived near a beach (Southsea, Portsmouth) for over 20 years and never saw any dog mess or a dog bothering anyone. The dog mess is huge issue in the streets leading towards beach and open green areas.

Pointless as there will be no police around to enforce the ban. Also, the ban not affecting all beaches will lead to confusion about whether to challenge a dog owner or not.

I've never been comfortable around dogs, even small ones, but I can see the fun the dogs have on the beaches and it'll be a shame to ban them.

If the concern is public health then do somehing about all the litter and smashed beer bottles.

Another poorly thought policy which will make it difficult for people to get out in the open and excersie. Now dog owners will have to arrange dog care when planning a day at the beach with kids, or drive miles to a beach where dogs are allowed. Already seen too many popular coastal walking paths ruined by the council implementing expensive parking charges.
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We take our Cocker Spaniel down to the New Forest for a nice break and go down the beach and there have been notices banning dogs from the beach for quite a while. There are dog specific beach areas down there, Avon beach was one which was fantastic, was the first time my dog had seen the sea and went for a swim and had a run around with some other dogs
 
200sols said:
Yes, in the end this thread goes in circles and I see today we are back comparing dogs to knives and guns. We already have the banned breeds list, perhaps update it to include the worst offenders but people wanting to ban dogs are crazy.
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Banning dogs? Would be a guaranteed election loss. It would never happen.

Silly comparing dogs to weapons. Yes. Some people use dogs like that. But tiny minority.
 
Mujja said:
Dog beach bans

Until recently I lived near a beach (Southsea, Portsmouth) for over 20 years and never saw any dog mess or a dog bothering anyone. The dog mess is huge issue in the streets leading towards beach and open green areas.

Pointless as there will be no police around to enforce the ban. Also, the ban not affecting all beaches will lead to confusion about whether to challenge a dog owner or not.

I've never been comfortable around dogs, even small ones, but I can see the fun the dogs have on the beaches and it'll be a shame to ban them.

If the concern is public health then do somehing about all the litter and smashed beer bottles.

Another poorly thought policy which will make it difficult for people to get out in the open and excersie. Now dog owners will have to arrange dog care when planning a day at the beach with kids, or drive miles to a beach where dogs are allowed. Already seen too many popular coastal walking paths ruined by the council implementing expensive parking charges.
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Not only all that, they actually ban dogs on beaches while allowing human waste to be pumped into the seas. So human effluent, untold plastics washing ashore and other feral humans littering the place but yes of course, the thing that needs banning is dogs.
 
ttaskmaster said:
You don't even need such things, though.
Just about every bag dispenser comes with a small carabiner to hook it on the lead or similar. You simply tie the poo-bag with a loop and clip it to the carabiner while you walk round. Unless your dog drops more than 3kg of poo, that will be sufficient.
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Horses for courses.

I don't use the plastic (usually bone shaped) dispensers as they're bloomin' awful things and the little clips you get with them are worse. Landfill.

Not all poo bags have handles, or have enough material to form a loop. But once tied, they all have a knot, which can be used with the dookee. Many of the cheaper poo bags are so thin and fragile that I wouldn't trust them to survive being pierced onto a clip.

TBH, my dookee snapped and I just carry the poo bags now as I've got a pretty good grasp of where all the bins are nowadays. But for someone with just one or two dogs, I can recommend them.
 
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£15 said:
Not all poo bags have handles, or have enough material to form a loop. But once tied, they all have a knot, which can be used with the dookee. Many of the cheaper poo bags are so thin and fragile that I wouldn't trust them to survive being pierced onto a clip.
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If you can tie a knot, you can make it into a loop by not pulling the tail all the way through and cinching it tight. The plastic will hold securely enough for you to hook a clip on.
It does help if you buy reasonable quality bags, but just about every pet shop has them.
Dispensers are your call, although I tend to keep a roll of bags in a pocket of every jacket I own, and each dog lead has its own carabiner anyway.

Whichever way you do it, it's so easy to manage that there really are no excuses.
 
Looks like those wanting something to be done about dogs have their wish, the owner / handler of two dogs allegedly dangerously out of control and having attacked some woman has been tasered and both their dogs shot.

Somewhere in England, can't recall where. Seems that was wrong too, someone was complaining about police brutality...
 
I don't think there is any solution to this problem. Not all violent dogs are the same breed or breeds, we can't test every single dog, and even muzzling them wouldn't stop half of the attacks, since many are in and around the owner's home. Even if we increased sentences to life, people would still assume their dog is fine.

Personally, I hate dogs. There is this disgusting blob of a Pug that comes round my house eating anything it can find. I would happily drop-kick it back to my neighbour, but what can you do? I'm just waiting for a kid to fall off its bike, then I can say the dog attacked it and get the police to shoot it. And the dog. :cry:
 
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Chris Wilson said:
Looks like those wanting something to be done about dogs have their wish, the owner / handler of two dogs allegedly dangerously out of control and having attacked some woman has been tasered and both their dogs shot.

Somewhere in England, can't recall where. Seems that was wrong too, someone was complaining about police brutality...
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Limehouse, London. Again the problem is that there has already been a victim.
 
Dis86 said:
Limehouse, London. Again the problem is that there has already been a victim.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-65523821

There's the link, BBC does not report any previous victims.
The report states a person was attacked, police turned up and destroyed two dogs, as they probably should in these situations.

It does not state the breed of dogs, but based on images I have seen of the dogs and person, again the issue is clearly with the owner having dogs he hasn't trained properly or cannot control properly. He didn't even have suitable leads for the control of the dogs. If you cant control your dogs from attacking a person, you should not be able to have a dog.
Its the posters in here who never want to admit responsibility will constantly put blame on the dog and its breed, instead of the scummy owner who has not looked after or trained the dog correctly.
 
ttaskmaster said:
If you can tie a knot, you can make it into a loop by not pulling the tail all the way through and cinching it tight. The plastic will hold securely enough for you to hook a clip on.
It does help if you buy reasonable quality bags, but just about every pet shop has them.
Dispensers are your call, although I tend to keep a roll of bags in a pocket of every jacket I own, and each dog lead has its own carabiner anyway.

Whichever way you do it, it's so easy to manage that there really are no excuses.
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We have a neoprene pouch.
The bags are stored in top. After bagging the poo, it's out in the little cylinder and when come across a bin empty the cylinder.

Not this one, but same design

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