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mmj_uk said:
A video from 2.5 years ago investigating it, one of many:


The problem is corporate left wing media who were complicit in attacking Trump over the last few years won't report on it so people who still get all of their information from them are uninformed. All they do is put out "leaked" soundbites from Obama claiming that Trump is attacking the rule of law so that their viewers will refuse to believe any of it.
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Investigating what, you guys keep doing this, posting things with absolutely no context whatsoever, what do you think it shows?

I get it, Trump supporters think there's been some massive coverup but for people who haven't been immersed in far-right conspiracy theories for the last 4 years you're going to need to do a bit more work than simply posting links to documents that have already been reported on and videos from three years ago, you have to join the dots so the people who 'apparently' missed what was going on can follow along. Because all i see in the video above is a politician saying another politician paid their party money, who then paid some else, who then paid some else, and then finally paid someone (i think the chain was 5 long) to investigate if there was any substance to the rumors that their political opponent may have links to a foreign government.

So are you saying private citizens shouldn't be allowed to hire private investigators?

Are you saying that if a private citizen comes across information that implies there maybe links between a politician or would be politician with a foreign government that they shouldn't hand that information over to the security services for investigation?

Are you saying that if someone working on that investigation is found to be favoring one or the other politicians involved in said investigation they shouldn't be taken off it?

All the above video does is raise questions as you've not provided any context, you've not explained what it is you think it shows.
 
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Colonel_Klinck said:
Nice one Donny. Good to see Fox News setting policy again and petty politics getting in the way of public health. If this is accurate, you couldn't make this **** up

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https://www.genomeweb.com/policy-le...ding-package-boosting-nih-budget#.XrmTD5NKjRY
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Ermm ?? What have your link to do with that tweet that is about NIH is cancelling a grant that was to a US company, EcoHealth Alliance ??

For those that don't want to sign up to the above site to see the article, it is in the spoiler.

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To take a quote from the article linked in the above tweet:

That grant was to Peter Daszak's U.S.-based EcoHealth Alliance for disease prevention it does throughout the world.
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And both in the video clip and in the article Trump says this, after having been asked by a journalist.

President Trump: The Obama administration gave them a grant of $3.7 million? I've been hearing about that. And we've instructed that if any grants are going to that area – we're looking at it, literally, about an hour ago, and also early in the morning. We will end that grant very quickly.
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However, he don't seem to have got this information about that same gran was reauthorized by his own administration:

His work was considered so important that, last year, the grant was reauthorized and increased by the Trump administration.
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So, not quiet sure why you posting a link saying that NIH budget has been increased, when it is about Trumps Administration cancelling a grant that was to an American company, after have gotten things reported wrongly, by both Fox News and a Republican.

Edit: Having seen your second post while I was typing this I am guessing you did not really listen to the video clip or read the article that the tweet was linking.
 
Trusty said:
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2019/12/final-2020-spending-bill-kind-us-research

NIH budget went up.
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That isn't what the 60 minutes story says is it. It says the grant to the EcoHealth who worked with Wuhan Institute of Virology on coronavirus in bats had there budget terminated after the Fox News story. Trump admin was happy enough last year, so much so they increased the grant.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/27/trump-cuts-research-bat-human-virus-china-213076

https://www.businessinsider.com/tru...conspiracy-theories-politico-2020-4?r=US&IR=T

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/04/trump-coronavirus-funding-cuts
 
Colonel_Klinck said:
That isn't what the 60 minutes story says is it. It says the grant to the EcoHealth who worked with Wuhan Institute of Virology on coronavirus in bats had there budget terminated after the Fox News story. Trump admin was happy enough last year, so much so they increased the grant.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/27/trump-cuts-research-bat-human-virus-china-213076

https://www.businessinsider.com/tru...conspiracy-theories-politico-2020-4?r=US&IR=T

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/04/trump-coronavirus-funding-cuts
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The point is, the NIH have got more more to spend, they'll be able to spend it on research which is in a similar vein, but they won't be giving money to China, considering the Trump administration is looking seriously at the fact the virus might have been some form of economic warfare, they obviously don't want to give money to that Wuhan lab.
 
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The point is, the NIH have got more more to spend, they'll be able to spend it on research which is in a similar vein, but they won't be giving money to China, considering the Trump administration is looking seriously at the fact the virus might have been some form of economic warfare, they obviously don't want to give money to that Wuhan lab.
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Ah so they will send another company to work in that area on cornovirus in bats instead of the US company already working there. Yeah i see that makes complete and utter sense :rolleyes: I mean lets put CT propaganda pushed by the likes of Fox News ahead of science, because nothing bad could ever come from that right??

TBH I think you jumped into this thinking the post was wrong when it wasn't and are now trying to defend that. Ending research in the place where the virus most likely started has to the most short sighted idea ever.
 
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Colonel_Klinck said:
Ah so they will send another company to work in that area on cornovirus in bats instead of the US company already working there. Yeah i see that makes complete and utter sense :rolleyes: I mean lets put CT propaganda pushed by the likes of Fox News ahead of science, because nothing bad could ever come from that right??

TBH I think you jumped into this thinking the post was wrong when it wasn't and are now trying to defend that. Ending research in the place where the virus most likely started has to the most short sighted idea ever.
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Its not about sending a company to work in the area, the US has the genetic sequence now anyway, so the NIH can fund whatever projects they need to understand the virus, as my link pointed out, NIH funding has increased by about $2 billion, you honestly think that guy is only person working on it? There will be many people and projects working 24/7 on this. I think you jumped the gun without thinking everything through, outrage culture strikes again.
 
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The point is, the NIH have got more more to spend, they'll be able to spend it on research which is in a similar vein, but they won't be giving money to China, considering the Trump administration is looking seriously at the fact the virus might have been some form of economic warfare, they obviously don't want to give money to that Wuhan lab.
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I am wondering what possible benefit it could be to China to infect the entire planet, themselves incuded? I suppose if China wanted to hurt the U.S it could call in it's debts of over a trillion or so dollars but such a move would only antagonise the U.S further and make them even more anti-china than they already are. However I doubt even debts of over a trillion will matter all that much considering how high it currently is.
 
As if the Trump administration looking at anything is an indication of anything being remotely true. They're all bat**** mental CT nuts, or enablers.
 
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Its not about sending a company to work in the area, the US has the genetic sequence now anyway, so the NIH can fund whatever projects they need to understand the virus, as my link pointed out, NIH funding has increased by about $2 billion, you honestly think that guy is only person working on it? There will be many people and projects working 24/7 on this. I think you jumped the gun without thinking everything through, outrage culture strikes again.
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Did you even watch the video? He is working in the area where these viruses can make their jump from bats. So now we have the genetic map of covid-19 we should stop all research in this area, pack her up guys, lets all go home, this is never going to happen again :rolleyes:. You keep going on about the NIH budget like that is relevant to this in any way, it isn't. Lets just say it once more, his grant was stopped because Fox News ran a story that wasn't true to suit the CT they and Trump want to push out and the next thing the WH cuts his grant. If you think cutting scientific research into the origins of a virus that has bought the world to its knees for partisan political purposes not based on science is a good idea then just say that. If not stop trying to defend it, you just look silly.

https://www.cbsnews.com/video/coron...s-scientific-community-60-minutes-2020-05-10/
 
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DisrupTor75 said:
I am wondering what possible benefit it could be to China to infect the entire planet, themselves incuded? I suppose if China wanted to hurt the U.S it could call in it's debts of over a trillion or so dollars but such a move would only antagonise the U.S further and make them even more anti-china than they already are. However I doubt even debts of over a trillion will matter all that much considering how high it currently is.
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How would they call the debt in exactly?
 
Lord-Jaffa said:
Yes? Do you know why it would never happen? It would hurt China far more than the US in the long run.
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That ship has sailed when Trump started the trade war, it devalued the yuan which China has been funding to maintain.

If China puts the US government bonds on the market the US cost of borrowing goes up, the economy stalls hurting the US voter. With the US dollar devalued international trade with the US gets cheaper because every other currency is getting more bang per buck.

On the converse, government bonds pay a guaranteed yield so they are always a good bet however that means nothing if the country in question goes bankrupt and the way Trump is borrowing against a drop in tax receipts it’s not a leap of faith.
 
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