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Roar87 said:
What are you basing your hypothesis that testing is the single variable that's the difference between countries that had fewer overall cases of Covid19?

Within the same country, America, New York with it's dense population and reliance on public transport has faired much worse than California which has a more spread out population and a state with very little provision for public transport, yet testing is the variable you think is responsible?

Another ridiculous post.
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It's hardly my own hypothesis so untwist your knickers, Mavis. Pretty much every scientist and medical professional offering advice on the pandemic agrees that testing is the key to beating it. The US might be testing large numbers now but when this all started they didn't believe in it, so much so that their own developed tests weren't effective, often failing. They still aren't. But that's unsurprising given how their leader felt about the pandemic as a whole. And the UK has been the same with their view on testing. Testing and isolating people has been a key factor in getting this under control. That's been highlighted by, well, those countries that have it under control. Just do a simple search on how South Korea managed to control theirs and you'll see that within something like a few days they'd already built drive-in testing centres so people could be tested and have a result within 3 days. So again, it's not based on guesswork. It's proven fact.

Oh Look! said:
Expansive testing, contact tracing and quarantining have proved successful in reducing the spread of Covid-19 in South Korea
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They also imposed far more severe border restrictions for those entering the country. Something which the US and the UK haven't done at all. But yeah, Trump's usual "I did a ban on China" was unprecedented and was met with criticism. Yep, criticism because it wasn't enough!

I suppose your next argument will be that what works to contain the virus in one country can't possibly work in another, because, who knows what stupid reason you'll find to argue against the facts.
 
Yas786 said:
I read somewhere it’s been a year or so since they stopped contributing to the WHO. Obviously that’s on Trump and his admin, just like they said there wasn’t pandemic playbook left by the previous administration, there was. And just like he cut funding to the CDC last year or early this year.
That’s all on him but nope he just blames Obama :confused:
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Yep, USA only paid $17,943,020 of the $59,227,935 they owed last year, nothing this year. They owe $99,168,375.
 
CHokKA said:
It's hardly my own hypothesis so untwist your knickers, Mavis. Pretty much every scientist and medical professional offering advice on the pandemic agrees that testing is the key to beating it. The US might be testing large numbers now but when this all started they didn't believe in it, so much so that their own developed tests weren't effective, often failing. They still aren't. But that's unsurprising given how their leader felt about the pandemic as a whole. And the UK has been the same with their view on testing. Testing and isolating people has been a key factor in getting this under control. That's been highlighted by, well, those countries that have it under control. Just do a simple search on how South Korea managed to control theirs and you'll see that within something like a few days they'd already built drive-in testing centres so people could be tested and have a result within 3 days. So again, it's not based on guesswork. It's proven fact.
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South Korea has of course in place an excellent system because they could reasonably expect a SARS like illness, Western Europe and North America were prepared for a flu like illness, because that's what usually happens here. Germany was fortunate to have as part of their business as usual economy a large testing base they could call on that the UK and other countries didn't have. Testing is definitely the key to getting the virus under control, and having mass testing early on would've definitely been beneficial, but it's not the single reason the UK and US have been hit hard. You can only prepare for things that have a reasonable chance of actually happening, otherwise we'd be spending our entire government budget building rockets with nuclear bombs attached to fire at an asteroid which might never hit, amongst every other potential disaster that could happen. There's a lot of people benefiting from hindsight in their criticism, China only reported 4 thousand deaths in Wuhan and the WHO were saying the virus wasn't transmitted human to human in January, yet people expected us to lock down the country at the first sign of a case, and the fact we didn't is now Boris Johnson and Trumps fault.
 
plasmahal said:
no it hasn't. provide them then.
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OK. Here's the Pandemic Response Playbook left by Obama for Trump. You know, the one which they denied existed. That's all 69 pages of it.

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/6819268/Pandemic-Playbook.pdf

And oh, look. Here's McEnany saying that it actually did exist but that the Trump administration replaced it. So which is it then? It didn't exist because the previous administration left them with bare cupboards to the tune of $8 billion worth of medical equipment for a pandemic, a whole team built to respond to a pandemic, and a guide to handle a pandemic. Or that it wasn't good enough and this utterly abhorrent show of nonsense was how they chose to handle it after coming up with a new strategy all by themselves? This was only a few days ago btw, so how convenient that they'd managed to write one up by then eh?

Liar liar pants on fire! said:
"Some have erroneously suggested that the Trump administration threw out the pandemic response playbook left by the Obama-Biden administration," McEnany said, holding up a packet of papers. "What the critics failed to note, however, is that this thin packet of paper was replaced by two detailed, robust pandemic response reports commissioned by the Trump administration."
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The other information about WHO contributions has already been answered a few posts up. I'm not sure you could handle being owned twice in one reply so I'll just respond to the playbook comment.
 
pacegod said:
Whats the bet, at some point in the next few weeks Trump will claim he had the virus and beat it.
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If I was a betting man I'd place money on it. He won't risk saying he's had it until the risk of him actually getting it has passed but then yeah, he'll claim to have had it and brushed it off with his incredible health, tremendous health, health like no other President has ever had.
 
China have just put massive sanctions on Australia, at least Trump is standing up to them. If Hillary had been in the Whitehouse the US and western nations would still be building up China economically at our own expense and rolling our their Huawei spying network worldwide. Forget about Russia, China and their bought and paid for stooges/communist sympathisers in western governments and corporations are the biggest threats to the west by far.
 
mmj_uk said:
China have just put massive sanctions on Australia, at least Trump is standing up to them. If Hillary had been in the Whitehouse the US and western nations would still be building up China economically at our own expense and rolling our their Huawei spying network worldwide. Forget about Russia, China and their bought and paid for stooges/communist sympathisers in western governments and corporations are the biggest threats to the west by far.
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ok m9
 
mmj_uk said:
China have just put massive sanctions on Australia, at least Trump is standing up to them. If Hillary had been in the Whitehouse the US and western nations would still be building up China economically at our own expense and rolling our their Huawei spying network worldwide. Forget about Russia, China and their bought and paid for stooges/communist sympathisers in western governments and corporations are the biggest threats to the west by far.
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Lol ok...
 
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