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I don't know about childish, but a sign being waved by a Trump supporter in a pic on here recently certainly showed it has anti semetic connections. We can imagine the site's mmj goes to to then parrot this stuff.
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Yes yes and since the end of WW2 the GOP have become what the Dems used to be. A racist party that doesn't even pretend not to be. Fought against civil rights, still fights against voters rights. In 2013 the SC removed the provision of the Voting Rights Act that forced 7 southern states who were the worst for racism to have pre clearance from the AG before changing their laws and practices on voting. Texas immediately enacted legislation that said only 7 photo IDs would be accepted, student ID would no longer be a valid ID for voting but a conceal carry gun permit would be
I mean they didn't even try to be subtle. 600 thousand less people voted at the next election, the majority being people of colour and/or poor so likely to vote Democrat as they were immediately removed from the voter rolls and for some a student ID was the only photo ID they had. And I wonder what the percentage of black people with conceal carry permits is in Texas? They also immediately carried out redistricting (gerrymandering) to make it more difficult for Dems to get elected. The party of Lincoln died a long time ago. https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/policy-solutions/effects-shelby-county-v-holder
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Sorry where are the studies that show less deaths? The only ones I've seen have shown higher death rates. WHO has announced it has stopped all trials of the drug due to safety concerns.
Trump was saying it because he spouts any old crap if it was whispered in his ear by the right person. He is a CT nut job who shouldn't be anywhere near the job he holds. This crisis has shown once and for all that he isn't fit for the job.
Coronavirus: WHO halts trials of hydroxychloroquine over safety fears
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52799120
On Monday, officials at the UN health agency said hydroxychloroquine would be removed from trials pending a safety assessment.
The Lancet study involved 96,000 coronavirus patients, nearly 15,000 of whom were given hydroxychloroquine - or a related form chloroquine - either alone or with an antibiotic.
The study found that the patients were more likely to die in hospital and develop heart rhythm complications than other Covid patients in a comparison group.
The death rates of the treated groups were: hydroxychloroquine 18%; chloroquine 16.4%; control group 9%. Those treated with hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine in combination with antibiotics had an even higher death rate.
The researchers warned that hydroxychloroquine should not be used outside of clinical trials.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52799120
So should Trump continue taking it hmmm...
It seems to me that his "medical advisors" are scared of him and being sacked by tweet and roll over to any old crap he suggests rather than having the backbone to deny his ridiculous unsubstantiated miracle cure suggestions.
I wonder how the FDA will respond who already cleared it for use at Trumps insistence.
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The Lancet study involved 96,000 coronavirus patients, nearly 15,000 of whom were given hydroxychloroquine - or a related form chloroquine - either alone or with an antibiotic.
The study found that the patients were more likely to die in hospital and develop heart rhythm complications than other Covid patients in a comparison group.
The death rates of the treated groups were: hydroxychloroquine 18%; chloroquine 16.4%; control group 9%. Those treated with hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine in combination with antibiotics had an even higher death rate.
The researchers warned that hydroxychloroquine should not be used outside of clinical trials.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52799120
So should Trump continue taking it hmmm...
It seems to me that his "medical advisors" are scared of him and being sacked by tweet and roll over to any old crap he suggests rather than having the backbone to deny his ridiculous unsubstantiated miracle cure suggestions.
I wonder how the FDA will respond who already cleared it for use at Trumps insistence.
Oops beaten to it.
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That's because you have an epic confirmation bias.
Here's 5 examples. Which you would have known about if you were able to perceive anything other than what you have already decided is true.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32074550/
They're not the only examples, of course. Just the ones I found a link to in 30s of searching online.
In terms of number of deaths the USA has handled the pandemic better than many countries, including the UK.
Take a look at the data on deaths per million people on this site:
http://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/
The graph you want is the third one down and change the data shown to total deaths. You'll see that the USA is below Netherlands, Sweden, France, Italy, UK, Spain and Belgium.
I can't believe you're even driving a car, those are the devils work, it's nothing but horse and cart in deuseworld.
To be fair you're both right, although going on what I've read it seems medical opinion is currently leaning in the direction of higher death rates, the evidence is, however, inconclusive, that's probably why the NHS started trials as they wanted to answer that question for themselves.
I've not read the details of the trails cited that mention more deaths so I'm just going to take people at their word, however I'd also say what you linked to above isn't exactly conclusive either, for example the one you linked to directly was only conducted on 100 patients (and if you buy into the China bad rhetoric there's also that), and all the reference material (maybe different for you) is basically papers talking about that trail of 100 people and about the potential efficacy and dangers of chloroquine, the first two i read make it pretty clear the margin between the therapeutic and toxic dose is narrow.
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That shows the US has handled the Virus worse than the majority of counties being right up there with the other counties that have handled the virus badly. It also shows the US has now moved into 8th place and still rising with a higher growth rate and looking like they will overtake more of those others in the top 8, the US is on track based on current data to over time be in the top 5.
The US had every advantage including plenty of warning from everywhere else and Trump wasted it all making the situation worse than I needed to be.
And that's why the advisory scientists say deaths per capita is not a good metric to make inter country comparisons, but comparative excess deaths.
I wish you would stop peddling that nonsense
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this. how anyone can compare them to italy for instance i don't know. America had plenty of warning of what was to come if serious action isn't taken.
These actual facts do not fit the rabid anti-trumper TDS squads narrative they are told to follow.
You will get shouted down, name-called and labelled a Trump lover.
If I am reading those curves right. The USA is getting it just right. A nice flat new case curve that is within the capacity of its healthcare system to handle.
You are looking at the data wrong although slowing down the curve is not flat it is on a steady increase for new cases. Also if you press show all and look at all the data the US is right at the top doing terrible.
Why would he be called a Trump lover when he openly expresses he thinks the guy is a complete idiot
Oh and since you have time to be posting again, care to explain what in Murphys post was deflection?
Why would he be called a Trump lover when he openly expresses he thinks the guy is a complete idiot
Oh and since you have time to be posting again, care to explain what in Murphys post was deflection?
Do you think if we all went and gave him some attention in his Airfix threads he'd stop trying to get it here?
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