Don't see many cars with Factory fitted sunroofs
- Thread starter chaparral
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Don
Cars will have a sensor, usually somewhere on the dashboard to pick up how much sunshine there is, ie if the sun is out it will use more cooling air from the vents on you directly to compensate for the suns IR radiation.
Soldato
[TW]Fox;20044825 said:
I know you are correct, but the air won't be nice and cold. I just like the feeling of cold air its refreshing.
Most of the year I would leave it on the coldest setting, so I'm just weird and like to be freezing.
Yes, you are very odd.
I leave the climate on 21c in my Estima pretty much all the time. I may knock it down a couple of degrees in the summer so it feels a bit 'fresher', but the whole point of climate control is basically 'set and forget'.
I leave the climate on 21c in my Estima pretty much all the time. I may knock it down a couple of degrees in the summer so it feels a bit 'fresher', but the whole point of climate control is basically 'set and forget'.
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Soldato
Mum had a sunroof back on her Clio Mk1... went through three replacements, two under warranty and one at cost, and it still leaked 
. In the end we got it sealed!
As such when buying her Fiat 500 she definitely wasn't getting a sunroof!
My second hand Saxo VTR had one, and surprisingly it never leaked. I hardly opened it though as I wanted it to continue not leaking! Original owner had always garaged it, so maybe that helped it not leak?
Wish Dad got a sunroof on his E61, would make the interior so much lighter! BMW wanted the wrong side of £1K for it so he didn't spec it (Fox will probably know how much the option was, I've got a feeling it was nearer £2K than £1K
).
. In the end we got it sealed!As such when buying her Fiat 500 she definitely wasn't getting a sunroof!
My second hand Saxo VTR had one, and surprisingly it never leaked. I hardly opened it though as I wanted it to continue not leaking! Original owner had always garaged it, so maybe that helped it not leak?
Wish Dad got a sunroof on his E61, would make the interior so much lighter! BMW wanted the wrong side of £1K for it so he didn't spec it (Fox will probably know how much the option was, I've got a feeling it was nearer £2K than £1K
).
Caporegime
My primera had a sunroof..it leaked
now i have a T bar roof and it only leaks under the heaviest of rainshowers..
now i have a T bar roof and it only leaks under the heaviest of rainshowers..
Soldato
my last car had a sunroof & climate ctrl, mondeo ghia, i never used it much tbh.
Soldato
I don't know but it just works. I don't even feel a draft from the vents. The cabin just seems to fall to my set temp. I can't say I've felt cold or warm actually blowing on myself.
I understand where your going, you must have vents set to floor or auto, but noway you can increase temp without warmer air.
Some cars I've used increase fans to max to match the temp set, or do it very slowly.
I hate cc, never set to right temp for me always like to open window or sunroof
Well don't set your temperature to 22c if you don't want it to warm up.
Mine is set to 18c all year round.
If it's blazing sunshine and 17 outside the sun load sensor tells the system to account for the effect of the sun through the glass and not blast a load of hot air into the car.
Even if there is no sunshine it's able to acheive the preset temperature without going nuts and blasting you with 30c air for a while.
Mine only blasts hot air at me to reach the right temperature when the ambient temperature is significantly below the preset temperature. Otherwise it does it far more subtly - so much so you don't even notice.
Then your CC system sucks.
The heating side does not use the refrigerant, when looking at my neighbours car the a/c shut down when the cabin temperature was reached, ended up needing to open the window to get a bit of heat load!
I find cars with sunroofs rob to much headroom!, remember sitting in some cars i admit they were the smaller variety and need to recline the seat n order to stop my head hitting the roof/sunroof
[TW]Fox;20046396 said:
we all live differently, we all use the car at different times of the day, we all do different things before getting into the car. We also park in different places.....
Makes a car cc system work differently, good to see you changed your mind regarding Warm/hot air does come out of your vents.
good to see old cc system sucks, or I don't know how to use it.
Sunroof and windows always better option to me, fresh air, quick,
If I'm wet or been outside for 12 hours in cold I will put heating on max also set to my feet.
That's why cc is poor,it don't know what I been doing for last few hours....
I've not changed my mind at all - the example I replied to had an ambient temperature of 15c in it. Obviously if its 4c outside you'll get lovely hot air.
Even when it was already 15c outside?
Shame you never got that looked or. Or turned the knurled wheel away from red.
It's designed to give you a comfortable environment with a target temperature. Blasting red hot air at you to close a differential of 2c between ambient and target temperature does not give you a comfortable environment so a properly designed, properly used climate control system won't do this. It recognises the fact that 2c isn't much, therefore has no need to blast hot air out of the vents and instead allows the temperature to gradually climb.
Contrast this to when it's 3c outside. Thats cold. Thats a long way below 17c. It recognises that this is less comfortable than blasting you with hot air so it... blasts you with hot air.
The BMW system, which I find particularly good, has an extra feature - there is a knurled wheel which allows you to over-ride the air coming out of the centre vents. So if the system has decided you don't need a pile of hot air but you want some anyway, you can request that. From the amount of threads i've seen on BMW forums this seems to be beyond most people who drive around with it either on cold or hot and then complain about how crap the climate control is.
Proper climate control is a set once and forget system - you don't need to constantly adjust the target temperature to suit your mood, it doesnt work like that. Thats what the control wheel is for in the E46.
I wonder if some of the people who dont get it spend half the evening fiddling with the thermostat on the central heating..
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Soldato
I think modern BMW climate systems must be better then the average range of cheaper cars I have experienced.
With my latest I choose to get a car with standard aircon over Fiat's climate control as it annoys me, its probably not sophisticated enough.
With my latest I choose to get a car with standard aircon over Fiat's climate control as it annoys me, its probably not sophisticated enough.