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DON'T Waste Your Money On RTX!! "video title"
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personally the games still play the same, i dont see point of looking around at lighting/reflections etc, im playing the game for the game its self,im not buying it to admire things, a game is a game whether its standard or dressed up in frilly things.
each to their own at end of the day, but i dont see the point of this tech atm, maybe in 5-10yrs it will become the norm, but for myself its fps that wins hands down over tanking fps for some eye candy
In what way though? Remember, ray tracing provides more realistic lighting so that is why things don't look as CGI/Hollywood like i.e. you don't have perfect lighting for every area. Reflections are in another league too.
I think it will depend largely on the what the end user prefers as I know a lot of people who love "vibrant" looking displays, visuals etc. i.e. sweetfx
e.g.
http://sfx.thelazy.net/games/preset/4046/
Some people love reshade presets like that but to me, it's hideous especially when you look closer and see that the shadows are being crushed and you're losing detail.
The same way some think RDR 2 HDR is crap and dull/flat looking but in reality, it is still more accurate and a better representation than SDR (basing this on the patch that fixed it)
Just using it state the point that it is swing and roundabouts on forums like this, not remember the fury x with its 4GB VRAM and all the defending that was being done "you don't need more than 4GB, hbm works differently, it's far faster!"
What do you think will happen if nvidia next cards come out with more vram than amd???
personally the games still play the same, i dont see point of looking around at lighting/reflections etc, im playing the game for the game its self,im not buying it to admire things, a game is a game whether its standard or dressed up in frilly things.
You could apply this logic to most graphical settings on games to be honest.
It is overdone and does not look realistic, that's why it looks better with it off - at least in the case of Cyberpunk.
It is early days, it will get better no doubt but it's a ways off yet.
I think RDR 2 HDR is great btw. I thought it was good before I had an OLED display, but after i realised just how good it was.
HDR is so mature now though that all my HDR games look absolutely terrible when i switch back to SDR.
HDR is so much more important than RT to me.
Hands up, pretty sure I was on the other side of that argument back in the day.Just using it state the point that it is swing and roundabouts on forums like this, not remember the fury x with its 4GB VRAM and all the defending that was being done "you don't need more than 4GB, hbm works differently, it's far faster!"
What do you think will happen if nvidia next cards come out with more vram than amd???
That said, I don't recall the Fury X running out of VRAM until years later, not 6 months after launch in several titles.
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Dude, Linus has been crap for decades, whenever he makes mistakes in his benchmarking he deletes and bans people from his forum when they point it out. He is the epitomy of dishonesty in YouTube.
Yup performance definitely needs to get better but at least we have dlss to help out and amds versions will be out at some point this year which does make ray tracing usable now, of course whether you like/want dlss/FSR is another subject entirely.
Be interesting to see some performance comparisons of metro as apparently it runs better than the current version, like most new tech., developers are still finding their ways to get the best from it so hopefully ray tracing optimisation/performance improves too.
It is overdone and does not look realistic, that's why it looks better with it off - at least in the case of Cyberpunk.
It is early days, it will get better no doubt but it's a ways off yet.
I think RDR 2 HDR is great btw. I thought it was good before I had an OLED display, but after i realised just how good it was.
HDR is so mature now though that all my HDR games look absolutely terrible when i switch back to SDR.
HDR is so much more important than RT to me.
Hands up, pretty sure I was on the other side of that argument back in the day.
That said, I don't recall the Fury X running out of VRAM until years later, not 6 months after launch in several titles.
Isn't that how reflections in windows and water looks in real life though?
https://www.google.com/search?q=ref...=img&ei=456TYNGSFYqaaZX5jMgE&bih=996&biw=1841
https://www.google.com/search?q=ref...mg&ei=BZ-TYMTbAsGFlwT7iL74Bw&bih=996&biw=1841
But yes, HDR is by far the best thing and a much better enhancement to visuals than ray tracing. Literally like comparing a ps 3 game and ps 5 next gen title.
Yup, the fury x was a pretty good card and hbm did prove to work well for a good while, think amd had to put a lot of work into it get the best from it though. 8GB gddr6 with 256 bit is defo not enough going forward.
i can bet you anything half of those with rtx cards couldnt tell the difference, they bought to up with latest thing, im not knocking the tech, its the next big leap, im just saying its far from the finished article, as above i take fps all day long over eye candy with a major fps hit, its like buying a porsche and running on flat tryes, it look great but run like a bag of crap,
i can bet you anything half of those with rtx cards couldnt tell the difference, they bought to up with latest thing, im not knocking the tech, its the next big leap, im just saying its far from the finished article, as above i take fps all day long over eye candy with a major fps hit, its like buying a porsche and running on flat tryes, it look great but run like a bag of crap,
Given that basically all high-end cards for the last few years have been RTX... its not like you had a choice to get the "non-RTX" high end card.
Esp now that even AMDs cards have it.
True - I guess that's why some begrudge the 'RTX tax' so to speak. Whether you want to enable it, or not, is beside the point these days at the point of purchase.
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I agree, he has to put out vids everyday and the more controversial videos are the more clicks = more £££. It's angled to get clicks - for anti RT folk to use and discuss in forums - making more people watch his vids. I think he's lost his way as he has so many channels now and just started a MAC one.
Consoles are for folk who can't or don't what to get into cutting edge tech - for the lay person - £500 spend to go into your TV.
PC gaming has much more choice in all aspects of a game, from input, to graphical settings and advances in tech - to fully customizable game servers.
Consoles are the cheapest and easiest way to get into gaming. PC gamers are much more enthusiast gamers, most of which build their own PC, study displays and the many other parameters that make PC gaming - the enthusiast level of gaming. With the release of High refresh and VRR TV's gives the console bods some of what PC gamers have been using for a few years. You don't have to get into RT as a PC gamer - carry on with your old card. But to say newer tech and visual effects isn't really worth it - contradicts how he first made his money. SO many channels just muddies what Linus's expertise is about - he'll becoming a jack of all master of none - he's becoming more of a presenter with the knowledge held and written by his team.
As you say - click bait for click money.
new consoles are better specced than most peoples computers.
I had a good laugh reading this, thanks.
erm what? You know CGI/hollywood has been using ray tracing for a few decades now? There are some films in that time frame that didn't use it but i highly doubt any of you would be able to tell which ones they were.
Aah yes, boil down all of those arguments to bigger is better and throw out all that inconvenient nuance.
P.S. you complain about linus doing a poor comparison then use cyberpunk for your RT on vs off comparison even though cyberpunk has been shown to not be the best example of what raster can do. Ironic.
you mean nvidia cards, AMD is still attempting it so not really a selling point
, could say the same about 1st gen rtx, great idea in principle, but has taken a few yrs to get up there, though in time they will get there, maybe 5-10yrs
Well, whether you like it or not, consoles will dictate the ray tracing intensity in the entirety of generation, unless they release a new iteration of consoles with superior RT performance (and that would be funny. with ps4/ps4 pro you get higher res, but same graphical fidelity overall (barring the fidelity that comes from the resolution itself). if new pro consoles really do change the landscape completely with much higher RT fidelity with advanced AMD ray tracing performance, a lot of people will feel about their base console purchase).
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I agree partly - therefore they they aren't enthusiastic enough to warrant the cost or have other hobbies they are more enthusiastic about. Unless you have a 6800/6900/3080/3090 +1440p high hz + VRR - you aint high end gaming - and you'd be drawn towards a console.
But todays consoles, whilst supporting 4k 120hz VRR - will never have the horsepower to run games at it's supported output - it's just marketing. Maybe 1440p at best? HAven't looked at latest consoles performance. I take it they can do 1080p @120fps? What about 1440p?
Though if you could get a console at RRP £/performance on a console is probably up there vs PC equivilent.
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Have you seen what "film sets" look like of camera i.e. all the lighting etc. to makes actors and props look their best and so on. It is far from realistic! Not to mention, when they add in extra filters/effect like chromatic aberation, lens flare etc.
Don't get me started on CGI used for films either, most of the time, even the very best ones don't look as good as the classic <90s films, oh how I miss the good old days were they blew **** etc. up for real, it looked "real".
Except it's true.... Go and read back in the fury x thread to see the exact same arguments being had now.....
And if you look through the cyberpunk thread, you will see me calling out CDPRs poor job at the rasterization/SSR effects when compared to things like batman Arkham knight, division, rdr 2, gta 5 (modded) etc. etc. Still doesn't change the fact that ray tracing is the better tech. and what will be the "norm". Just watch the metro video to see how much easier a developers workflow is with ray tracing and not having to create "fake" lighting, shadows etc. And it's not like metros non ray tracing lighting, shadows, reflections were exactly bad either, still arguably the best game for these things...
Difference is, if you want to do a comparison of RTX or inform people of what it is capable of and isn't capable of, you look at the best cases too and not just the worst samples..... Digital foundry lean on nvidia/RTX side but at least they call out all the downsides too i.e. they slammed metro first version and shadow of tomb raider but have praised control, cyberpunk etc. for its implementation.
Depends on the developer and if they are lazy and do a crappy port to PC but I imagine most ray tracing titles will allow pc users to crank the settings up, the same way when comparing normal graphical effects like shadows, textures etc.
I'd argue consoles are way ahead in £/Performance... If/when stock comes in it's available at RRP, so a Digital PS5 is ~£360.
I got the forum deal on a 3060 from here, for £360...
PS5 is probably about the same, if not better, performance than the 3060, and of course to use the 3060 you need CPU/RAM/Mobo/Case/PSU/SSD etc on top, so another £500 *minimum* It's not even close...
And that's assuming you can get such a 'good deal' on a 3060, I've seen them for £550 from retailers, if you want better, well, how about £1200 for a 6800XT or ~£2300 for a 3090...