Doom Eternal
- Thread starter ShiWarrior
- Start date
Soldato
Awww, are the liccle hackers angry cos they gonna have to use invasive anti cheat to play online.
Poor things.
I get what you are saying and Anti Cheat is always a good thing when done right but you do understand what Denuvo Anti Cheat is dont you?
It lights my AV up like christmas tree and rightly so because it behaves exactly as most malware and injects itself into the OS kernel.
Not only is that far from needed, intrusive and plain wrong the potential security holes it opens up for other dodgy software is mind blowing and as I also perform financial transactions on my machine this type of solution does belong anywhere near it.
Soldato
- Joined
- 19 Jun 2012
- Posts
- 5,397
You think that's the only vulnerability on your machine?
Guess people have a choice to make.
Soldato
- Joined
- 1 Jun 2014
- Posts
- 5,109
Soldato
- Joined
- 1 Jun 2014
- Posts
- 5,109
I'd say that was a Bethesda decision, rather than an id one.
What is the something better though? The reality is every single multiplayer game on PC has cheaters and will have cheaters.
Caporegime
- Joined
- 30 Jul 2013
- Posts
- 29,451
Indeed, and it's the reason that when I do (very occasionally) play Multiplayer games, I do so on my Xbox One X.
Soldato
- Joined
- 19 Jun 2012
- Posts
- 5,397
Lol. The hackers win again.
Cant say I'm surprised. Cos privacy blah, blah my hooman ritez, innit!
Ah well. Eternal is just another online PC game that's hacked to hell and no fun to play.
I'll stick to console. Less cheating there
Cant say I'm surprised. Cos privacy blah, blah my hooman ritez, innit!
Ah well. Eternal is just another online PC game that's hacked to hell and no fun to play.
I'll stick to console. Less cheating there
The problem is the method of combatting cheating - game developers/studios don't seem to want to budget for the kind of game features that would help to reduce cheating and instead rely on trying to brute force manage it via software - a certain amount of anti-cheat to discourage casual cheaters is a good idea but invasive techniques to try and combat hardcore cheating is mostly a waste of time as there are increasingly diminishing returns in the number of cheaters it prevents while a massive increase in potential problems due to the nature of more invasive anti-cheat.
Soldato
Well talking about Doom specifically, nobody plays multiplayer so it was a dumb decision. There are far less intrusive options, yes far from perfect but they also dont open up your OS for abuse.
More widely significant barriers that aren't an issue to most people like hardware ID bans and 2FA on accounts should be the standard by now but they aren't
Then theres the fact that multiplayer games still release to the wider public without any form of anti cheat in the first place...what do these companies expect?
Sadly if you want to properly combat cheating you need to pay humans to sit in seats and go hunt these people down and ban them. You just can't cut corners with things like Denuvo, they don't work and never will. But alas, one of these problems requires putting your hand in your pocket and the other does not.
The industry needs to decide if it really wants to get serious about it or not, and if it's willing to pay to make it happen.
It'll never happen. Profits come first and only. Even Quake Champions doesn't have their cheat system enabled after all these years.
Then it needs to accept that it is a problem and will be a problem going forward and just leave it alone and stop messing honest people around with crap like Denuvo. It's classic "have your cake and eat it" syndrome, similar to how social media refuses to get tough on trolls, fake news, etc.
It's also not the first time todays id Software revoked something that got a backlash.
Yeah seems like a good deal, trying to decide whether to pay extra for the deluxe but will definitely be grabbing one or the other, loved the 2016 one.
Yeah, also thinking about grabbing it now since they got rid of the kernel-level driver and it's on sale.
Not sure about the pass yet, I think you can get 5$ extra discount on the base game and checkout, then grab the pass separately for another 5$. If it works like that, then it's cheaper than the deluxe.
Not sure about the pass yet, I think you can get 5$ extra discount on the base game and checkout, then grab the pass separately for another 5$. If it works like that, then it's cheaper than the deluxe.
Soldato
dont save your self the sheer frustration, i have the gamne and have got to mission 9 and it's very very very hard, i lost 35 extra lives and spent a good 1hr trying to find the boss you need to kill but had no luck, kept dying so gave up, the games ok, music makes up for the constant death but even then mission 9 is just crazy hard and no matter how much music they've thrown at it still makes it very very hard
Not sure how that would work, unless I'm missing something? You need to spend £30 to get the £5 discount, so can't get that on the main game as its £25, and the pass is £25 on its own, unless you are talking about buying the pass elsewhere?