Dragon Age: The Veilguard

[arknor]

We've gone way past that stage. It's gone full on conspiracy nut level x109.

Having watched some videos with the cherry picked bits, yeah it looks and sounds dreadful. However, it is possible to acknowledge that and move on rather than continue to display the same levels of brain rot that some of the people involved with making the game clearly have.

IS HR in the room with you? Shame these companies don't realise this forced activism kills game studios dead.

but all hail sweetbabyinc, at least with every new DEI game another game studio dies, so the cycle won't continue for much longer, and I have 0 sympathy for any of those studios for being tone deaf to their audience

 

[Angst]

In Baldur's Gate 3 you could be evil and slaughter them all or basically tell them to politely go away
In Dragon Age Veilguard you have to repent your sins, and do ten push ups as sorry just isn't enough

Again I have no issue with this being in the game IF you can be completely against in GAME. But the creators behind DA will never allow that

So we agree then its an issue in the quality of the writing not the inclusion itself, your urges to kill any homosexual or non binary characters notwithstanding of course.

 

[humbug]

Would you say the diversity of characters in baldurs gate 3 or in mass effect was an issue? If not then its not an issue of identity politics its an issue of hack writers.
I agree there is an issue with this happening in a lot of media but im trying to say the issue itself is not the idea behind the inclusivity itself but that the writers for these projets are bad writers, there are plenty of examples where its not horrific like in this game. Arguing against woke propaganda and identity politics doesn't win allies or sound great, the focus should be on attacking the quality of the work. "hey, the writing for this game is terrible, the characters arent believable and the interactions feel like something from a kids educational tv show, there's no conflict and it feels like its trying to be some utpoia where nobody has any personality flaws".

Would you say the diversity of characters in baldurs gate 3 or in mass effect was an issue?

No, i wouldn't.

Arguing against woke propaganda and identity politics doesn't win allies or sound great

No one likes IRL politics in their escapism, it absolutely is an argument people relate with.

the focus should be on attacking the quality of the work.

I agree but this alone ignores the insult to peoples intelligence they clearly feel when they are being propagandised, its obnoxious.

 

[arknor]

So we agree then its an issue in the quality of the writing not the inclusion itself, your urges to kill any homosexual or non binary characters notwithstanding of course.

his issue is probably the real life politics being forced on a fantasy world that is supposed to be disconnected from reality.

It's not a documentary, it's an escape from reality, do we want games that have to mirror our own world? the best games always have good and evil.


Imagine KOTOR but you have to play the game as GOOD..... what a crap game that would be... Choices matter...

Remember when RPGs were cool and you could kill anyone you wanted? that wasn't part of the main quest.


Now we are going back to the point where you can't even run civilians over in games

 

[humbug]

Let me tell you something about Baldurs Gate 3 you're not going to like, effeminate gay men are entertaining, a lot of effeminate gay men have made a lot of money from simply being effeminate gay men. And more power to them.

 

[arknor]

Let me tell you something about Baldurs Gate 3 you're not going to like, effeminate gay men are entertaining, a lot of effeminate gay men have made a lot of money from simply being effeminate gay men.

whats that got to do with video games, but I guess there's a reason so many sitcoms had gay characters in the 90s.
back when they were mostly good entertainment and could take a joke.

a trans even won big brother in our "bigoted" country , won on straight peoples votes.

that proves a lot, they are accepted as part of our society and all this Americanised activism isn't needed here...

Maybe they should make special versions of games for the american audience

 

[Angst]

You still seem to be missing the point of my arguments, im criticising the game but saying that the issues arent inclusivity etc but terrible writing. Inclusivity works fine when you can write a good story and characters.

 

[humbug]

You still seem to be missing the point of my arguments, im criticising the game but saying that the issues arent inclusivity etc but terrible writing. Inclusivity works fine when you can write a good story and characters.

Inclusive works when it is not intended to be inclusive, when the person is simply the most talented for the job, the best fit, their identity is irrelevant.

 

[arknor]

You still seem to be missing the point of my arguments, im criticising the game but saying that the issues arent inclusivity etc but terrible writing. Inclusivity works fine when you can write a good story and characters.

you can write a story without forcing your own real world perspective into it.

none of it comes across as believable, you get someone's pronouns wrong and do 10 push ups?

the whole they/there thing is about as relevant to me as the old "call me sir" crap from back in the day. it's pompous nonsense to make someone feel special

Why need a third party to cement your identity constantly

 

[Angst]

you can write a story without forcing your own real world perspective into it.

none of it comes across as believable, you get someone's pronouns wrong and do 10 push ups?

the whole they/there thing is about as relevant to me as the old "call me sir" crap from back in the day. it's pompous nonsense to make someone feel special

Why need a third party to cement your identity constantly

I take it you are fine if people constantly call you miss or Madamn then since it doesnt matter and is pompous guff anyway? (Assuming you are a bloke here). Again what you are arguing against is the quality of the writing not the inclusion itself. "none of it comes across as believable, you get someone's pronouns wrong and do 10 push ups?" this is an issue of the quality of the writing, the issue isnt the pronouns or any inclusion the issue is that whole scene is terrible and like an educational video not a real interaction.

 

[humbug]

you can write a story without forcing your own real world perspective into it.

none of it comes across as believable, you get someone's pronouns wrong and do 10 push ups?

the whole they/there thing is about as relevant to me as the old "call me sir" crap from back in the day. it's pompous nonsense to make someone feel special

Why need a third party to cement your

Now your identity maters, because now your identity is a hierarchy, you can no longer be an anonymous human being, now you're He/Him and He/Him is lower in their hierarchy than She/Her who in turn is lower than They/Them.

Its people with a mental illness imposing their rules on you. They/Them are at the top of the food chain because the real world oppresses them.

 

[Noxia]

IS HR in the room with you? Shame these companies don't realise this forced activism kills game studios dead.

but all hail sweetbabyinc, at least with every new DEI game another game studio dies, so the cycle won't continue for much longer, and I have 0 sympathy for any of those studios for being tone deaf to their audience

No, it's called not becoming fanatical and choosing a 'side' which consumes your daily thoughts and becomes your whole personality

Also love the "believable" angle in a game set in a fantasy world with dragons, are you lot self aware? Briefly entertaining if nothing else.

 

[humbug]

No, it's called not becoming fanatical and choosing a 'side' which consumes your daily thoughts and becomes your whole personality

Also love the "believable" angle in a game set in a fantasy world with dragons, are you lot self aware? Briefly entertaining if nothing else.

Its actually a rejection of the fanatical.

 

[Angst]

Its actually a rejection of the fanatical.

You sound pretty fanatical about rejecting it, thats their point.

 

[Noxia]

Its actually a rejection of the fanatical.

Peak slacktivism there mate. Rejection would be not buying the game and ignoring the drama

 

[humbug]

Peak slacktivism there mate. Rejection would be not buying the game and ignoring the drama

Is this a why do you care question?

 

[Sythe79]

the issue isnt the pronouns or any inclusion the issue is that whole scene is terrible and like an educational video not a real interaction.

The issue is that the inclusion is the focus and the story a secondary afterthought. Good writing should be as inclusive or not as the story needs to be.

Watch any ST:TNG for example, it's a story with a morality tale, not the other way around.

GTA:SA isn't diverse because it's mostly African American characters, in fact by the true meaning of the word it isn't very diverse at all but that's what the story demands, it's a shame all the bigots and racists didn't buy it and that game franchise died.

 

[Neil79]

So we agree then its an issue in the quality of the writing not the inclusion itself, your urges to kill any homosexual or non binary characters notwithstanding of course.

It's both... However from all the gameplay footage i've seen, the writing is shockingly bad as well

 

[VIPER258]

The right move is obviously not to buy and support these companies but I don't agree that you just stay silent in the matter. I don't go on social media as it's just the same A-holes posting the same crap for likes, comments, thumbs-up etc. However, we should be telling these companies why we are not buying it so they are under illusions as to why sales are low.

The good news is that I'm not playing veilguard and just started 'The last of us'. Been meaning to play this for years.

 

[JonRGV250]

The right move is obviously not to buy and support these companies but I don't agree that you just stay silent in the matter. I don't go on social media as it's just the same A-holes posting the same crap for likes, comments, thumbs-up etc. However, we should be telling these companies why we are not buying it so they are under illusions as to why sales are low.

Oh, they know, they just blame us.