Thats unusual I normally find Mortismal to be quite reliable for reviews
Dragon Age: The Veilguard
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His review is what made me decide to buy the game.
I'm 70 hours in and really enjoying it. It does remind me of Mass Effect 2. Build your team, make sure you do their varied personal quests to build their loyalty (survivability?) etc.
It's got flaws, it's not game of the year or anything like that, but it's a good single player game with plenty for the player to do.
What I find frustrating about all of the attention on whether the game is too woke or not, is that it removes attention from the fact the game has a lot of actual problems that have nothing to do with ideology.
The writing isn't great, the voice acting is weird, the tone is all over the place, the inventory / upgrade management is bad and you can really tell that it was going to be a live service game at one point and they've not done a great job of changing it to be single player only. All of which has nothing to do with DEI, or conspiricies, or being woke but that's what gets talked about because it's more fun to hate people?
The writing isn't great, the voice acting is weird, the tone is all over the place, the inventory / upgrade management is bad and you can really tell that it was going to be a live service game at one point and they've not done a great job of changing it to be single player only. All of which has nothing to do with DEI, or conspiricies, or being woke but that's what gets talked about because it's more fun to hate people?
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Caporegime
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I would argue that asking for people to get fired is pretty hateful...
More of this please, I keep seeing new posts in here and checking the thread and most of the time it's about its level of wokeness rather than the actual game itself. I'd almost say it'd be nice to have a new thread about DAVG discussing how woke it is/isn't and this thread discussing the game itself.
And more of this! I don't think I've seen anyone mention the inventory/upgrade management or mention that it seems like it a live service feel left in it.
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I imagine the vegans feel underrepresented in this game.
The problem with this opinion is that, from 'the other side', the people pushing this stuff are zealous activists who aren't at all shy about their agenda. So, it's hardly surprising that in addition to the game containing ridiculously shoehorned in genderwang nonsense that it's all a bit **** generally as well! Because the focus wasn't ever actually on making a game most people interested in the genre might like to play but hard pushing a very obvious agenda!
To make the point meet 'Corinne Busche' the male "Queerosexual Gendermancer" Game Director of Dragon Age: The Veilguard who works for BioWare/EA and of course is all about 'Trans rights/BLM'
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spot on
It's a rare thing to see a Trans person bashing this game in a REVIEW, however watch Veilguard is a shameful example of modernity by Sophia Narwitz (Sophnar0747)
Can't link it on YT, contains swearing, but it's a very good review. " This game doesn't help the perspective of people like me, trans activists are their own worst enemies "
Talks about the characters, design, levels, combat, narration and more. Some things a lot of people haven't touched on. Such as characters constantly talking about the same thing over and over again. Or the tediousness of low IQ quests
Can't link it on YT, contains swearing, but it's a very good review. " This game doesn't help the perspective of people like me, trans activists are their own worst enemies "
Talks about the characters, design, levels, combat, narration and more. Some things a lot of people haven't touched on. Such as characters constantly talking about the same thing over and over again. Or the tediousness of low IQ quests
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Caporegime
Because the game is made by activists, not competent game developers, that's what DEI hiring practices does, people are hired for their identity or political views, not their competence.
Edit: i just read @Caracus2k already put it better than i did....
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Caporegime
While I can't speak for her, I do think there's an over abundance of frustration from long term fans. I don't blame them, I feel the same way! I also think that most people with issues articulate themselves poorly, especially out of passion for what has been lost. That doesn't mean their views are any less valid, far from it in my opinion.
There were comments regarding wanting people to lose jobs from yourself earlier as an example, there are leaks and articles (trust them or don't) regarding EA asking Bioware employees to train new people for their roles and they were let go not long after. It apparently led to a bit of a mass exodus, as any current Bioware employee given the same request just outright quit and looked for another job. Admittedly, this is hard to find and if you play into the "scrubbing the past" arguments it becomes more conspiracy than reality; however there's absolutely credence in my mind given how many original staff were laid off after promises to let the studio retain it's original vision, and then the massive shift after EA acquired it. I think EA spent a lot of money to acquire the studio, and then did what it's infamous for doing by trying to rule the roost until said studio is run into the ground. It's simply taken longer this time around, I still miss the following:
I absolutely want Bioware to die out at this point, the original staff were all bloody fired par a handful in favour of EA loyalists that are clearly incompetent. There is going to be some spill over, but that's going to keep happening until legitimately capable people are in charge and I do not see it happening under EA corporate management.
General staff will find jobs easily enough, the competent developers and managers will too, the absolute flood of middle management (who often seem the most upset at the concept of a studio shutting down) perhaps not. It's a different argument, but I do feel there's a lot of bloat and created jobs for people that don't really need to exist in whatever company other than leeching money. You don't deserve a job just for existing, I refuse to feel bad for people failing and losing their jobs due to it.
People can say what they want about Elon Musk but the fact is his companies get results.
Never been done before and we were all told by a most so call experts that it couldn't be done, success on the first try.
He fired 80% of Twitters staff with in days of him taking over. Who were these people and what were they all doing there?
Absolutely sod all.
Plenty of Twitter employees would document what they did during the day and it was almost nowt.
Trump and Elon with his DOGE will shake up things in the US and cut unbelievable amounts of waste, make it efficient and save a bucket load of tax payers money.
Don't like the politics in a game or think it has an agenda? Great, don't play it and move on. Not everything in the world has to be made for you. The vitriol is massively out of proportion, bad games are made all the time and for all sorts of reasons. You don't see them being review bombed though, you don't see hiring practices being investigated and blamed for why the game was bad, you don't see people proudly stating they never played the game as if it would somehow dirty their soul.
Whether DEI is a problem or not isn't really a topic for this forum, but if you honestly think multinational corporations like EA doing anything other than try to maximize profit and growth above everything else then i don't know what to tell you.
If you don't want politics in a game then don't insert them there yourself. Judge the game on it's merits and leave out the self-inserted culture war BS.
Whether DEI is a problem or not isn't really a topic for this forum, but if you honestly think multinational corporations like EA doing anything other than try to maximize profit and growth above everything else then i don't know what to tell you.
If you don't want politics in a game then don't insert them there yourself. Judge the game on it's merits and leave out the self-inserted culture war BS.
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The problem is that DEI has infiltrated almost every facet of the entertainment industry, so it's nigh impossible to turn a blind eye and ignore it now. And many people are fed up with it, so why shouldn't they voice their frustration ? Who are you to say they shouldn't ? Forums exist for debate and expressing differing opinions. If you can't tolerate that then perhaps you should cast your eyes somewhere else.
edit: The developers made DEI an integral component of this game, therefore it's hard speaking about this game without bringing up that topic. To say otherwise is a bit like saying "you can talk about WW2, but don't mention the Germans ! "
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Do you not see the irony of saying I should be able to tolerate other peoples opinions when you lose your **** at a trans person creating a game with an ideology you don't like?
Just to add, you're absolutely welcome to your opinions. I'm simply stating that personally I think the reaction is out of proportion to the size of the problem. I'm absolutely fine with you disagreeing with me but that doesn't mean I won't call you out too.
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There is no irony. When agenda ( whatever that may be ) is forced upon indviduals it becomes a problem, and that's what is happening with DEI. It's everywhere - in the workplace, throughout the entertainment industry, in social media, in politics etc. Yes, people can choose not to buy this game ... but then they get called out by access media for not supporting the game. The consumer can't win. In a thread like this, you can choose not to read it ... I'm not going to come and hunt you down and force my views on you.