DRS the new Marmite thread.

What's this hot blown exhaust valve about too?

I don't watch F1 that often and when I do, it seems like a load of new terms have been introduced. Is it kind of like traction control without the actual systems?
 
Skeeter said:
The FIA did have some balls. Thats pretty much what they proposed for the 2013 regulations. Unfortunately the teams all complained on 'cost grounds' (translation, they are scared of someone doing a Brawn) and some of the rules have been diluted (ground effects).
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Oh ok, didn't realise it was because of the teams that were blocking it. I thought that FIA had hinted they might do that then brought in DRS instead... :o
Hopefully it will come in time :)

PiKe said:
What's this hot blown exhaust valve about too?

I don't watch F1 that often and when I do, it seems like a load of new terms have been introduced. Is it kind of like traction control without the actual systems?
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When off throttle the engine map keeps the exhaust gases blasting out through the diffuser providing grip. Sucking the car to the ground even at low speed.
 
Basically they are blowing the exhaust gas through the diffuser to generate downforce. Whats being banned is the engine maps that allow the cars to flow air through the exhaust while off the throttle, to keep the rear end producing downforce while mid corner.

For anyone at Silverstone last year where McLaren first ran their EBD, they will have seen the problem this system overcomes. When McLaren first used the blown difusser they found that lifting off (i.e. through Maggots and Becketts) meant a sudden loss in rear downforce, making the car unstable and causing both Button and Hamilton to have a few excursions. The off throttle thing stops this. Expect to see the rear end a bit more loose mid corner once this gets banned.
 
Mr Men said:
MSC probably used his DRS to get into 2nd, so no need to feel sorry for him, Webber and Button would have passed him DRS or not.
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DRS wasnt active at all in the race until it got activated at the end allowing button and webber to easily overtake ?

DRS is only enabled on a dry track
 
The system certainly needs work. Personally, I'd much rather see cars that could follow each other but without removing +20 years of aerodynamic knowledge (unless ground effect is re-allowed) we aren't going to see that. Dirty air will always be a problem. DRS is basically about making the best of a bad situation.

Has it spiced up the show? Perhaps some of the overtaking has looked very artificial at times but on the whole it's definitely added more than it's taken away. Is it in keeping with the whole Grand Prix racing ethos? We-e-ell....tricky one to call, that. F1 (the 'brand', not the racing formula) has evolved to the point that maybe artificial stuff like DRS and the two compound tyre rule should be part and parcel of it. If I had to remove only one of those two, it'd be the tyre compound nonsense since all it does is limit you on strategy for no tangible benefit to the show.

Next season, they should have the zone lengths and detection points nailed much better than this year. That, along with teams and drivers knowing better how to exploit the system to its full potential (and knowing better how to defend against it!) should see us complaining about it much less.
 
Speeds, plus the fact that cars tended to launch into the air when they lifted high enough up for the GE to be lost. Caused more than a few spectacular (and in a few cases, fatal) accidents.
 
The potential for ground effect is epic, but I can sort of see the point the teams have made. It is a "rip up the rule book and start from scratch" regulation change in terms of chassis design.
 
The DRS is a sensible implementation of the "F-duct" from last year as the situation of them bombing it around with one hand on the wheel for long periods of time could have caused a real accident.

The zone aspect is where it falls down to the point of embarrassment. From my view the FIA have effectively tried to ensure some action at one point on the track for the expensive seats to have a watch, which is rubbish for the rest of the people there and tv viewers with the director focusing on one camera more than the rest of the race.

At some point soon they need to just let the drivers use it like in quali and burn it round everywhere with it open, best drivers will get the best results, though it does reduce the overtaking potential a bit by allowing a defending car to use it which should be balanced out by kers usage and how aggressive the DRS wing is.

That or mess about with the rules to make cars follow even closer as there needs to be an edge they can make more mistakes on/win places (the tyres have helped but its not quite enough yet)
 
I think that if we had constant time differences, not just at 3 points around the track, and the 1 second rule was retained, DRS would be a better system as it would allow a "come back" attack on the next corner.

However, whatever the rules and whatever the tech, there will always be complaints... and thus inspiration for improvement. Overall, I don't see how it could have made the sport worse!
 
Skeeter said:
Speed. Cars were becoming to fast for the safety features of the tracks. Same reason Group B rallying got banned. Fact is modern cars are just as quick, its just the safety of modern cars is greatly improved.
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Well in the main it was corner speed, and the impact of skirts.

If a skirt was damaged mid corner the car would potentially lose all grip and that meant a nasty accident. The fan cars were subject to a protest ban as Lotus claimed they kicked up stones. This was because the Brabham was spanking the lotus 79 :)
 
Dr Who said:
The fan cars were subject to a protest ban as Lotus claimed they kicked up stones. This was because the Brabham was spanking the lotus 79 :)
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Ah, the Brabham fan car. Officially, that fan was for cooling of course.

In practice for the one race it ever ran (Swedish GP at Anderstorp, also the first GP that Prof Sid Watkins attended as the official GP doctor after an approach from Bernie) Mario Andretti complained to Niki Lauda that the fan was throwing all kinds of **** up into him when he followed it. Niki's reply - "If you don't like it, overtake or **** off!" :D

I believe it's still the only car to ever to win its one and only World Championship race.
 
I don't like DRS as it is, I just don't see the point. I know it's supposed point has been explained, that it stops faster cars from being held up by slower ones, but I just don't care, that's a crap reason which has no place in a race imo.
 
its not perfet but given the choice of catalunya last year or this.. id chose this!

I guess i watch f1 to be entertained and this provides it, with the pirelli tyres, it is a tad easy sometimes [like the MSC vs MW in montreal] but overall its spiced up the racing


i think i would prefer a more powerful KERS than DRS weighting, im also kind of wondering if DRS should be used anywhere with the point, if you have the balls, give it a go, but then the straights would have no overtaking because both cars would have it open, would come down to who would dare open it sooner or close it last,

Would a higher power KERS or longer lasting KERS be better as its usable anywhere? alonso made good use of it off the start a couple of times [if he did use it then?]
 
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