I remember watching a clip of Hamilton overtaking in 2009 with KERS, he flew by and nobody could stop it. I even remember EJ having a go at KERS for upsetting the sport. DRS, F Ducts, KERS, always something for the racing purists to moan about.
DRS the new Marmite thread.
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I'm currently undecided and I think it's too early to come to a solid conclusion.
In an ideal world the cars wouldn't need DRS because there wouldn't be this huge aero affect that we see today.
However, ground effect isn't coming back any time soon. As such, we need a solution to the problem we saw last season where it was next to impossible to follow the car in front closely.
This season, a combination of KERS, DRS and Pirelli tyres are all contributing to more overtaking and a more 'entertaining' race, even if the purists say it's not 'real' racing.
In principle, I think this is a good thing.
The problem I have with it is that at the moment it's extremely inconsistent. I feel that this is mostly due to the track and the chosen activation points.
In Turkey, the activation zone was just after a very gentle corner which meant that the following car was sat on the gearbox of the car in front when they activated DRS and then shot past without any difficulty.
In Spain the activation zone was just after a tight corner which mean that the leading car was able to extend enough of a lead onto the main straight that even with DRS, the car behind was unable to catch them, effectively rendering DRS useless.
In Canada the double DRS zone was, as far as I'm concerned, a total failure because the first activation zone was enough for an easy pass.
The one race where I think it really worked was China.
Obviously this is the first season with DRS and there's going to have to be some tweaking to optimise the system for each track.
If they can balance it for each track so that it works in a similar way to China then I won't have a problem with it. If, next season, it remains as inconsistent as it is at the moment then I'm going to get annoyed with it.
In an ideal world the cars wouldn't need DRS because there wouldn't be this huge aero affect that we see today.
However, ground effect isn't coming back any time soon. As such, we need a solution to the problem we saw last season where it was next to impossible to follow the car in front closely.
This season, a combination of KERS, DRS and Pirelli tyres are all contributing to more overtaking and a more 'entertaining' race, even if the purists say it's not 'real' racing.
In principle, I think this is a good thing.
The problem I have with it is that at the moment it's extremely inconsistent. I feel that this is mostly due to the track and the chosen activation points.
In Turkey, the activation zone was just after a very gentle corner which meant that the following car was sat on the gearbox of the car in front when they activated DRS and then shot past without any difficulty.
In Spain the activation zone was just after a tight corner which mean that the leading car was able to extend enough of a lead onto the main straight that even with DRS, the car behind was unable to catch them, effectively rendering DRS useless.
In Canada the double DRS zone was, as far as I'm concerned, a total failure because the first activation zone was enough for an easy pass.
The one race where I think it really worked was China.
Obviously this is the first season with DRS and there's going to have to be some tweaking to optimise the system for each track.
If they can balance it for each track so that it works in a similar way to China then I won't have a problem with it. If, next season, it remains as inconsistent as it is at the moment then I'm going to get annoyed with it.
Yep. Racing Purists. People who put the fastest guy at the front, the slowest guy at the back, and set them all off in cars designed to go fast in clean air.
On paper, without DRS or KERS, there should be absolutely no overtaking in F1 at all. Everyone should just spread out in the order at which they start.
When you realise that, you realise that the only way to get overtaking in F1 is to artificially encourage it.
Well it wasn't much of a race before, more 'follow the leader' as the cars couldn't get close enough to each other without being undriveable. Much better now.
i thought it was enabled somewhere around 10-5laps to go? its disabled on a wet track and there wasnt a dry line until around then.
EDIT: just checked on iplayer the DRS was enabled on lap 63 out of 70 which in my eyes is near the end of the race
watch lap 62 and notice the closing speed of webber/button there was none.
then check lap 63 they might aswell have been going twice as fast as him
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It should only have been enabled once the first car went on to slicks.
Soldato
Can we just make sure that everyone that comes into this thread saying "DRS is rubbish the activation distances are too long" gets banned please.
The DRS was enabled on Lap 45, you can see Massa and Schumacher using it. The notification came up on screen a few moments later on lap 46. This was while the entire field were on inters. DRS is disabled in the wet, or until the FIA deem it safe enough to activate it. As the back straight was pretty dry and there is plenty of run off, they clearly deemed it safe.
The lap 63 enable message was following the SC and subsequent restart from the Heidfeld incident where DRS is disabled for 2 laps.
The lap 63 enable message was following the SC and subsequent restart from the Heidfeld incident where DRS is disabled for 2 laps.
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I don't even know what to thing about DRS anymore.
Push to pass with no defence infront seems wrong and isn't racing - even worse when you can do it twice in a short amount of time.
Yet, the end of the race in Canada would ordinarilly have been a procession and it did add excitement.
Still, it feels a little too much like wacky races for me.
The sprinkler system can't be too far away, although given how over protective the FIA are, it would probably result in a red flag.
Push to pass with no defence infront seems wrong and isn't racing - even worse when you can do it twice in a short amount of time.
Yet, the end of the race in Canada would ordinarilly have been a procession and it did add excitement.
Still, it feels a little too much like wacky races for me.
The sprinkler system can't be too far away, although given how over protective the FIA are, it would probably result in a red flag.
Soldato
Still not sure about the DRS yet, but i suppose in its defense it is still a new system and will be a while beofre it is implmented well, and most importantly fairly.
I did feel the double activation zone in Canada was way off though, it seemed to just mean the overtakee had little oppotunuty to stay close enough to make use of DRS themself the next lap.
I did feel the double activation zone in Canada was way off though, it seemed to just mean the overtakee had little oppotunuty to stay close enough to make use of DRS themself the next lap.
im just waiting for the race when 2 drivers are fairly clear of the field with like 10 laps to go and the driver in second place just follow the leader until the last lap..
we all know its likely to happen what are the FIA going to do punish the guy who uses his brain and chooses not to bother overtaking when with DRS its more an advantage to be the one in second place...
if they want to keep DRS they should make it so your only alowed to use it like 10 times in a race but no doubt the fia will try and claim its not possible.. even a schoolboy could code it
we all know its likely to happen what are the FIA going to do punish the guy who uses his brain and chooses not to bother overtaking when with DRS its more an advantage to be the one in second place...
if they want to keep DRS they should make it so your only alowed to use it like 10 times in a race but no doubt the fia will try and claim its not possible.. even a schoolboy could code it
Sure its possible.
But I don't get your argument? Your saying staying within 1 second of the guy infront for 10 laps isn't worth rewarding him with an overtake? Also, are you suggesting someone with DRS available would choose to not use it for 10 laps?
That scenario will never happen, if the car behind has been faster than the driver infront to keep with him or catch him then once he's in clear air he would pull away enough over a lap not to worry about drs. I don't think so far there has been any evidence of a slower car in normal running getting past a faster one. From what I've seen they get passed and stay past.
It would be far too risky to wait until the last lap.
people just seem to dismiss any comments or thoughts that dont fit in with their viewpoint...
max mosley is that you?
while fictional it could happen if your not fast enough to pull away at 1 second a lap the oods are the guy can use his drs to stay close enough to you so he could overtake at the opertune moment.
like what happens in nascar, theres no point overtaing if the guy is going to be in a position to retake the position why you may argue some cars arent fast enough for this teammates certainly can be.
maybe you would be happy with a DRS situation where it looks likre the person has been gifted the win barrichello/schumacher style
max mosley is that you?
while fictional it could happen if your not fast enough to pull away at 1 second a lap the oods are the guy can use his drs to stay close enough to you so he could overtake at the opertune moment.
like what happens in nascar, theres no point overtaing if the guy is going to be in a position to retake the position why you may argue some cars arent fast enough for this teammates certainly can be.
maybe you would be happy with a DRS situation where it looks likre the person has been gifted the win barrichello/schumacher style
But if your not fast enough to pull away... then you wont be fast enough to stick with them. May as well overtake at the first opportunity and drive off into the distance.
What I saw on Sunday was people DRS'ing past as soon as possible. What I didn't see was people deliberately not using DRS to stay behind someone untill the last lap. Therefore the 1st scenario can be used as evidence for/against DRS, while the second one cant. As soon as someone does play follow the leader for 10 laps deliberately not using DRS, then you can use that scenario in your argument. But seen as it will never happed, I'd start making up some more fictional reasons to hate DRS.
And as for DRS gifting people wins like Barrichello/Schumacher... just lol!
What I saw on Sunday was people DRS'ing past as soon as possible. What I didn't see was people deliberately not using DRS to stay behind someone untill the last lap. Therefore the 1st scenario can be used as evidence for/against DRS, while the second one cant. As soon as someone does play follow the leader for 10 laps deliberately not using DRS, then you can use that scenario in your argument. But seen as it will never happed, I'd start making up some more fictional reasons to hate DRS.
And as for DRS gifting people wins like Barrichello/Schumacher... just lol!
i didnt say drs would gift them wins learn 2 read..
you remember when barrichello slowed down at the finish line to let schumacher win? or when schumacher did it for barrichello?
everyone felt robbed if say button is leading a race and hamilton is behind him just keeping within 0.5seconds or whatever of him instead of trying to pass him just sits behind him waiting for the final lap and then uses the DRS to finally overtake people will feel like they were robbed.
where as if hamilton and button were traded places lap after lap using the drs whoever is the one to use it on the last lap wins which might not be you so it would have been better to just wait until the last lap.
obviously hamilton doesnt have the patience for this and would likely just run into him its a situation that could happen between team mates.
unless you can definetly pull out a second gap before the drs zone your leaving yourself open.
this is what i meant.. just because your the faster car doesnt mean you will pull away either you can use the DRS to improve laptime and keep up if the guy is only a few tenths faster and likely still be within enough to get a pass from the DRS if its a silly long zone like canada
you remember when barrichello slowed down at the finish line to let schumacher win? or when schumacher did it for barrichello?
everyone felt robbed if say button is leading a race and hamilton is behind him just keeping within 0.5seconds or whatever of him instead of trying to pass him just sits behind him waiting for the final lap and then uses the DRS to finally overtake people will feel like they were robbed.
where as if hamilton and button were traded places lap after lap using the drs whoever is the one to use it on the last lap wins which might not be you so it would have been better to just wait until the last lap.
obviously hamilton doesnt have the patience for this and would likely just run into him its a situation that could happen between team mates.
unless you can definetly pull out a second gap before the drs zone your leaving yourself open.
this is what i meant.. just because your the faster car doesnt mean you will pull away either you can use the DRS to improve laptime and keep up if the guy is only a few tenths faster and likely still be within enough to get a pass from the DRS if its a silly long zone like canada
This has never, and will never happen.
Whereas this has, in Turkey, and it was great!
So once again your argument is based on fictional situations that haven't happened.
How about you just admit the truth. You love Schumacher, Schumacher was overtaken by someone using DRS, therefore you hate DRS. At least thats a factual bases for your argument.
Oh yeah, and as for this:
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yea learn 2 read..
i was refering to
so much for you beeing a f1 follower for a longtime since you claim
thats how it will look one day with drs if they keep the silly long DRS zones like canada, in simple terms it will look like it was team orders and someone was gifted the win if they just follow for instance there team mate until the last lap.
i was refering to
thats how it will look one day with drs if they keep the silly long DRS zones like canada, in simple terms it will look like it was team orders and someone was gifted the win if they just follow for instance there team mate until the last lap.
in formula one anything can happen