Dune (2020) - Denis Villeneuve
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Great news but 2 years is a long time. I want to read the book but want to see the 2nd film first.
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Yup it’s just under half of the first book. The second book which would make the third film is much shorter… and the third book could possibly be combined/condensed like the old mini-series did into one act. That would wrap up the Atreides story, as book 4 takes place several thousand years later (and is more a long meditation by Frank Herbert talking through the voice of a particular character than a story) and then the fifth and sixth books are their own thing several thousand years after that.
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I read the books 15+ years ago - that’s a wait!
Btw I was just thinking - the 4 year time jump forward in the book will work for the actors etc given they’ll be a few years older themselves than when they shot part 1 (as there was well over a year delay between production and release due to rona, obviously). This being the case, I wonder if they shot the rest of the pre-jump scenes already, left them from post, and can just slot them in to the part 2 post-production process later.
Btw I was just thinking - the 4 year time jump forward in the book will work for the actors etc given they’ll be a few years older themselves than when they shot part 1 (as there was well over a year delay between production and release due to rona, obviously). This being the case, I wonder if they shot the rest of the pre-jump scenes already, left them from post, and can just slot them in to the part 2 post-production process later.
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Great news!!!
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I was wondering this - it would give them a great helping hand if they had
jamis funeral? before the jump - I forget
edit : its a 2 year jump but it will work fine
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Well...I was playing the Dune RTS back in 199....ok, i'll stop now
Just need someone to jump in who read the book on release in 1965 
I hope they do decide on a remake/remaster of the OG RTS though, that would be a sweet cherry on top of this news
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Dune got a "remake" using the redalert UI I think.
It was still really awful
I found it impossible to deal with the utter basic Ness of it all.
It was that game however that got me into pc gaming again.
Being an Amiga gamer that I had well and truly outgrown by age 16.
Emporer battle for dune was also awesome, super impressive for the time, 2000? I think it was can't recall/be assed to Google.
I've got it on cd somewhere. Had some great video clips.
It was still really awful
I found it impossible to deal with the utter basic Ness of it all. It was that game however that got me into pc gaming again.
Being an Amiga gamer that I had well and truly outgrown by age 16.
Emporer battle for dune was also awesome, super impressive for the time, 2000? I think it was can't recall/be assed to Google.
I've got it on cd somewhere. Had some great video clips.
HBO should have made a DUNE series in a GOT style (I can almost see the opening credits now with the sand worms). I'm not hugely knowlegable on DUNE, but based on what happened with the 80s film and what I've read over the years, it just seems to me there is far too much to pack into a film or two and do it justice.
I know LOTR kind of managed it in 3 films, but for me DUNE is more complex because of the setting, where as you know pretty early on that the ring has to go back to Mordor and then everything forms around that. DUNE is far more multistranded, I mean how would a GOT film series have been done?....pretty badly I'd have thought.
Fun fact, I finished DUNE2 on the Megadrive. I got the game from a swap shop just based on the pictures on the back of the box. It was my first RTS experience and it was a few years later before I realised that game was based on a SCI-FI book series and that there was a film lol.
I know LOTR kind of managed it in 3 films, but for me DUNE is more complex because of the setting, where as you know pretty early on that the ring has to go back to Mordor and then everything forms around that. DUNE is far more multistranded, I mean how would a GOT film series have been done?....pretty badly I'd have thought.
Fun fact, I finished DUNE2 on the Megadrive. I got the game from a swap shop just based on the pictures on the back of the box. It was my first RTS experience and it was a few years later before I realised that game was based on a SCI-FI book series and that there was a film lol.
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I would assume that the plan is for 3 films - Book 1 is split over films 1-2, book 2 and 3 over films 2-3 maybe - I really don't see there being enough engagement amongst everyday cinema goers to support much more than 3 films looking at where the novels went in book 4 onwards.
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I'm a bit bummed by the timeline of things. This absolutely should have been a high budget TV series, or just find a way to not have 2 years between part 1 and 2.
I watched this with my wife who doesn't know anything about Dune, and she was pretty miffed that it ended where it did with no end in sight.
I liked the movie, although it felt like we could have done with a lot less slow motion Chani, and that time put somewhere else.
Actually re-watched the original movie last night, and I still think it's great.
I watched this with my wife who doesn't know anything about Dune, and she was pretty miffed that it ended where it did with no end in sight.
I liked the movie, although it felt like we could have done with a lot less slow motion Chani, and that time put somewhere else.
Actually re-watched the original movie last night, and I still think it's great.
Well there was a Dune TV miniseries and followed by Children Of Dune back in the early 2000's which did do the plot justice and the performances were good, but the effects and design weren't up to it. Though the Children Of Dune soundtrack is absolutely epic, and you often hear bits of it used as film trailer music.
A modern HBO series like GOT would have been awesome, if done right.
I've heard a lot of commentators say the same thing, and they're not wrong. There's just too much going on in the books to do it justice in a couple of movies, even if they are three hours each. The main criticism of the film (along with the ending-not-an-ending) is just not enough time to flesh out the characters and their back stories as well as they should be.
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The thing with a TV series is you then lose the scale even if it's got a high budget. Take Foundation, it's supposed to be one of the most expensive series ever made and it still largely fails at conveying the grandeur and spectacle of the universe Asimov created (and it fails in the writing department too but we'll leave that out).
That is true. So many people have said Dune must be seen in a cinema because it has a massive visual and audio impact that very few people can get at home. Some films are made for the cinema and make the most out of the things you can't get at home, and Dune is one of them. The likes of Denis Villeneuve and Christopher Nolan are creating movies for the big screen experience, which is why they get so annoyed when their films are put out for home streaming services instead of getting an initial cinema run so they can be seen as they were designed to be.
Yet on the other hand, you can't do the source material justice if you have to cut down to a couple of movies totalling five hours, instead of the ten to twenty hours you can get from a series (and you'd have multiple series too). I think Dune might be a little different because part of the narrative is to feel the massive visuals stun you as you experience the fictional universe and the planet Arakkis as the main characters do, but I'm not sure how well that balances out the lack of run-time (and lack of story/characters) you have to give up to be a movie rather than a TV serial.
I can't find the link now as my phone was pinging with lots of updates about Dune Part 2 last night but apparently it will be cinema only, no day 1 streaming.
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Wishful thinking during a pandemic!