Dying Light GPU and CPU test

Dicehunter · 29 Jan 2015 at 09:20

Every Gameworks title so far for me on a 780 Ti has performed as well as a blind chimp trying to do brain surgery with a badgers knuckle children soaked love sausage as the instrument of surgery.

So far Gameworks adds hardly anything apart from performance issues and miffed customers.

VincentHanna · 29 Jan 2015 at 09:26

It is bizarre that Nvidia gameworks tends to gimp the games even for their own users.

I could (sort of) understand if it just ran poorly on AMD GPU's, but it's crap for everyone.

So called 'AMD enhanced' games (Tomb Raider, Hitman: Absolution, Alien: Isolation etc) run good for AMD and Nvidia users.

Martini1991 · 29 Jan 2015 at 09:29

humbug said:
Looks like single core CPU rendering, how quaint. how the #### did they manage to get a modern engine to do that?

pass....

I don't know if I'd call it a "modern engine"

Also, it's the same engine that............ Dead Island ran, anyone remember that?

Dicehunter · 29 Jan 2015 at 09:37

VincentHanna said:
It is bizarre that Nvidia gameworks tends to gimp the games even for their own users.

I could (sort of) understand if it just ran poorly on AMD GPU's, but it's crap for everyone.

So called 'AMD enhanced' games (Tomb Raider, Hitman: Absolution, Alien: Isolation etc) run good for AMD and Nvidia users.

See the problem is the "AMD Enhanced" games are totally open source meaning there are no exclusive effects, The Gameworks titles are bogged down with unnecessary background garbage which inturn makes the game run like garbage.

Gameworks is a hindrance no matter which GPU vendor you choose.

VincentHanna · 29 Jan 2015 at 09:38

Well they are calling it Chrome Engine 6

Dead Island ran on Chrome Engine 5.

Isn't that a bit like saying Unreal Engine 2 and Unreal Engine 3 are the same?

Martini1991 · 29 Jan 2015 at 09:39

VincentHanna said:
Well they are calling it Chrome Engine 6

Dead Island ran on Chrome Engine 5.

Isn't that a bit like saying Unreal Engine 2 and Unreal Engine 3 are the same?

I read that it was Chrome Engine 5 (Like Dead island)

Martini1991 · 29 Jan 2015 at 09:40

Dicehunter said:
See the problem is the "AMD Enhanced" games are totally open source meaning there are no exclusive effects, The Gameworks titles are bogged down with unnecessary background garbage which inturn makes the game run like garbage.

Gameworks is a hindrance no matter which GPU vendor you choose.

That's not what open source means, and the games aren't open source (Not that it matters at all) the end performance does, which for me has always been as you'd expect, rather than a mess (Like Dying light appears to be for some/most)

VincentHanna · 29 Jan 2015 at 09:44

Martini1991 said:
I read that it was Chrome Engine 5 (Like Dead island)

Digital Foundry said:
Running on Chrome Engine 6, Dying Light represents Techland's first efforts on current-gen hardware, with a focus on a truly open city built from assets designed to appear physically correct within the game's lighting system.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2015-dying-light-performance-analysis

Wikipedia also seems to confirm this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dying_Light

Martini1991 · 29 Jan 2015 at 09:46

VincentHanna said:
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2015-dying-light-performance-analysis

Wikipedia also seems to confirm this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dying_Light

Woops, that's me being an idiot then.

Dicehunter · 29 Jan 2015 at 09:53

Martini1991 said:
That's not what open source means, and the games aren't open source (Not that it matters at all) the end performance does, which for me has always been as you'd expect, rather than a mess (Like Dying light appears to be for some/most)

Ok well the "AMD Effects" are available from AMD upon request i.e TressFX etc....whereas the Nvidia library is locked down to a certain extent meaning optimisation is hard to do for the driver folks, Richard Huddy explained it really well on his PCPER interview and you could see he was genuinely annoyed about the situation and Nvidias complete lack of cooperation.

Martini1991 · 29 Jan 2015 at 09:56

Dicehunter said:
Ok well the "AMD Effects" are available from AMD upon request i.e TressFX etc....whereas the Nvidia library is locked down to a certain extent meaning optimisation is hard to do for the driver folks, Richard Huddy explained it really well on his PCPER interview and you could see he was genuinely annoyed about the situation and Nvidias complete lack of cooperation.

Sounds like you're sucked into the Richard Huddy PR.

Dicehunter · 29 Jan 2015 at 10:02

Martini1991 said:
Sounds like you're sucked into the Richard Huddy PR.

No Just looking at the situation with an open mind.

I have both a 780 Ti and a 295X2 so I'm not for either camp so to speak, And only when you can have a point of view from both camps as you can easily switch between both vendors do you see that Nvidia really do mess up games with this GW garbage which as many others have said just causes headaches in the performance department.

The only feature I truly love of Nvidias is Physx smoke, Cloth, Debris etc...as I'm a huge fan of the Arkham series and those games are thankfully littered with Physx effects, Especially the smoke in Origins, OMG just looks sexy

Stanners · 29 Jan 2015 at 10:03

Richard huddy was taught to lie by Nvidia, I would not believe a word that man says.

Martini1991 · 29 Jan 2015 at 10:04

I think there's performance issues, but Huddy's PR crap doesn't help anyone.

I always found the example of Arkham Origins to be funny, as it ran perfect for me on the 290, whereas I found the none GW City to run like ass.

VincentHanna · 29 Jan 2015 at 10:05

I have both as well (Palit Jetstream 980 and AMD 295x2/290x) and think AMD are the more consumer/gamer friendly by a country mile.

VincentHanna · 29 Jan 2015 at 10:07

Martini1991 said:
I think there's performance issues, but Huddy's PR crap doesn't help anyone.

I always found the example of Arkham Origins to be funny, as it ran perfect for me on the 290, whereas I found the none GW City to run like ass.

DX11 on Arkham City was flat-out broken.

DX9 works perfectly and always did. And there is literally no difference between how they look unless you spend your time looking at the statue above the museum.

(I completed it again very recently at 4k res, and DX11 wouldn't run properly on Crossfire 295x2 + 290x with 5930k CPU @ 4.4Ghz)

tommybhoy · 29 Jan 2015 at 11:18

Martini1991 said:
I think there's performance issues, but Huddy's PR crap doesn't help anyone.

I always found the example of Arkham Origins to be funny, as it ran perfect for me on the 290, whereas I found the none GW City to run like ass.

Not as funny as ~~Hair~~ElectroWorks in FC4 running AMD.

Not going to defend huddy's juicing up ,but he had a point, CD's changed TFX code to run nice on Nvidia=Dev co-operation.

Yet to hear of any dev saying they are working closely with AMD to get GW's running decent on AMD.

Nvidia's got into a bad habit of partitioning things off these days.

r7slayer · 29 Jan 2015 at 11:36

Stanners said:
Richard huddy was taught to lie by Nvidia, I would not believe a word that man says.

Yea nVidia seem quite good at lieing of as such latley!

TBH tho @ thread i do wish nVidia would keep their nose out of most games with their gameworks! Why? Because a lot and i mean pritty much most of the games i want to play do they seem to have some sort of stamp on the game with it running gameworks and all the games seem to run like dog poo! Fed up of it now because it's spoilt a lot of good games ive wanted to play.

Seems funny how Ubisoft wasn't doing too bad of a job with their games but as soon as nVidia come along, all their games they start being very unoptimised and just tend to have more bugs than a tropical rainforest! And the trend seems to continue with other games even certain benchmarks where game performance is hindered in some way or another.

Well done nVidia for working so close with the devs your doing an excellent job....

Mei · 29 Jan 2015 at 11:59

it does tend to be just gimmicky things it adds too, nothing that could maybe make the game amazingly better,
whoever has actually played this game in co-op tho its a lot of fun, no it doesnt look great with stuff turned down but its still fun!

tommybhoy · 29 Jan 2015 at 12:03

It's not Nvidia's fault ubi games run(in general) the way they do, they just pay for specific features to be added.