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E5200 Overclocking and performance comparison.
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No. The extra cache of the E8500 makes a lot of difference. In games that make use of the extra cache the E8500 will crucify it. You can tell that from the E5200/E6600 comparison and that was at the same clockspeeds. Get a E8500 to 4Ghz+ and it will be much, much faster. Bear in mind that the E8500 that i had then was one of the first C0 versions and not the E0 beastie that i have now. The graphics drivers were different too. The E5200 is a good budget chip but has no answer to a E8500.
and how about [email protected] vs e8400 stock? I had many replies that its pretty similar in games.. what do you think?
Well looking at the E5200 @3.6Ghz and E6600 @3Ghz in the games above, the E5200 only just pulls ahead of the E6600 despite the extra 600mhz clockspeed. The E8400's are faster clock for clock than the E6600 so i reckon that the E8400 would still be faster. Because the E5200 does'nt like high fsb's you have to use the 12.5x multiplier to get the best clocks. This also means that with the E5200 you can't run the ram so fast so have less bandwidth available. I could only get 960mhz out of my 1066 kit with the E5200 while all the other cpu's (apart from the E4300 @ stock) could run at 1066mhz. There is also no guarantee that the E5200 will even hit 3.6Ghz. There are quite a few on here who have them and are stuck on 3.2Ghz.
Surely you are'nt thinking of downgrading to a E5200? Your motherboard supports overclocking i believe. Why not clock your E8400?
Surely you are'nt thinking of downgrading to a E5200? Your motherboard supports overclocking i believe. Why not clock your E8400?
wanted to save some money buying e5200...
I really don't know. I reckon the E8400 with the 6mb of cache would be better although Crysis is'nt particularly cpu limited. It's just badly coded. Now your rig is going to be out of balance. You don't have a top end card with a budget cpu as a rule. Bit of a false economy on your part there. How could you save some money when you already had the E8400 anyway? If you get a E5200 that does'nt clock well you are going to regret it big time.
I just did some searching around and found your original thread. You really should have listened to the guys that gave you good, solid advice. Now you are going to end up having your plan backfire on you.
Well, not exactly. I wanted to ask about it casue I'm getting so many different advices - you say its not worth it and that e5200 will be slower than e8400, when on other forums people saying it actually very similar. So at the end getting OCed [email protected] or e7300 with same OC I will get same performance in games as had with e8400 stock...
I know it may not look like a best idea to downgrade a cpu, but I needed that money before so sold e8400, now need a new cpu - that is why I asked.
Do you think that [email protected] or [email protected] would be a lot slower than e8400@stock with GTX280 and gaming in 1920x1200?
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Do some research yourself instead of expecting other's to do it for you. You have already shown that you don't listen to what people say otherwise you would'nt have got rid of the E8400.
Look at the comparison between my E5200 @3.6Ghz and the E6600 @3Ghz. The E5200 just about keeps up with the E6600 in games. The E8400 is faster at 3Ghz than a E6600 at 3Ghz due to it's improved architecture so the E5200 will be slower at 3.6Ghz. If you can't even get to 3.6Ghz on the E5200 it will be a lot slower. Like i said, there are plenty of people on here that are stuck at 3.2Ghz.
As for the E7300, aside from the fact it's almost £100 and your idea of "saving money" is all but out the window, it only has half the cache of the E8400 so that will let it down in games which make use of the cache. I have no experience of using one of these so you will have to check out the E7300 clocking thread.
It's like I didn't listen to people, I asked for opinion and received a lot answers, different. Having two different opinions you can pick only one - I didn't ignored those advices, just decided differently.
Please, don't get me wrong - your test is great and showes a lot and its great for everyone, you did a great job. I had to sell that cpu that time, needed money very quickly, didn't want to sell any other part, decided then to downgrade on cpu. I hope it will not be a huge difference and I hope I will get really good e5200 that OC like crazy...
By the way, here's a cpu test that showes e5200@4GHz and pretty huge improvement in fps in Crysis. I believe that getting 3.6GHz will give a lot as well, don't have to get 4GHz...
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2008/12/22/athlon-x2-7750-vs-intel-e5200-oc-review/4
Please, don't get me wrong - your test is great and showes a lot and its great for everyone, you did a great job. I had to sell that cpu that time, needed money very quickly, didn't want to sell any other part, decided then to downgrade on cpu. I hope it will not be a huge difference and I hope I will get really good e5200 that OC like crazy...
By the way, here's a cpu test that showes e5200@4GHz and pretty huge improvement in fps in Crysis. I believe that getting 3.6GHz will give a lot as well, don't have to get 4GHz...
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2008/12/22/athlon-x2-7750-vs-intel-e5200-oc-review/4
The difference between my test's and their test's is that they used a GTX 280 which is much more powerful than the 8800GT that i used. As i said before, Crysis is more GPU dependant than CPU dependant. I also gave the results for min/max/avg fps instead of the single score they gave.
Another thing is that it's rare to even get one to 4Ghz prime stable. Mine boot's into windows and even runs some tests at 4Ghz but it's by no means stable. I can't even get it stable at 3.8Ghz and judging by other people's results on here mine is a good one. My rig is fairly high spec too and has high end custom watercooling. As they are a 45nm Wolfdale core you can't give them loads of voltage to get stable or you risk de-grading the cpu. I had this happen with my first E8500.
It still worked at stock speeds with stock volts. It was previously clocked at 4.2Ghz prime stable for 24hours with 1.45v. I stupidly tried for more with 1.52v and almost got stable at 4.4Ghz but gave up. Set everything back to the settings for 4.2Ghz and it would'nt get stable again, not even with 1.5v. I could only get stable at 3.8Ghz and that was with 1.45v. Well my Q6600 i had at the time did that so i stuck the E8500 on the bay with a full explanation of what was wrong with it and ended up selling it for more than i paid for it. At the time they had only been out for around 3 weeks and were out of stock everywhere. The guy was happy with it so it worked out ok for me.
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Very nice post
But i think we need a full wolfdale comparsion
So get back to your bench!
But i think we need a full wolfdale comparsion
So get back to your bench!
Very nice post
But i think we need a full wolfdale comparsion
So get back to your bench!
Can't. Have'nt got the GT anymore. I certainly am not going to start from scratch again.
Took me bloody ages to do all of that. I still have all of the cpu's though.Actually, i have'nt run a single benchmark on this Wolfie.
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Woah... Are all those CPUs just lying around?
I have the E8500 in my main rig but i did'nt have it when i did these tests. The E5200 is in my second rig clocked at 3.6Ghz. The E6600 was replaced by the E8500 so is soon to go on the bay as prices have increased for them. The Q6600 is long gone. Sold for more than i paid for it too!! The E4300 is sitting around waiting to go in a general purpose rig someone has asked me to build them. I also have a E2140 sitting around now. At £10 i just could'nt resist it.