EBD ban.

AcidHell2 said:
And dont you think that is wrong and spoils the sport? I certainly do.
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No. Because the FIA want to put on a good show. This means close racing and lots of overtaking. They listen to the comments of F1 fans around the world and then they pander to their demands. This was the reason why Pirelli were asked to create tyres, to a tight spec. This was also the reason why DRS was brought in.

The FIA will ensure that F1 remains entertaining (your word). This means that they will do what it takes to avoid 1 team from winning too many races (unless they are a brand new teams, like BrawnGP). They will also aim to keep the title race alive, for as long as possible.

In general, F1 fans tend not to like it when one team/driver wins everything. To this end, the FIA manipulate the championship to avoid a single driver/team from dominating.
 
It's not entertaining if it's not racing, not for true motorsport followers. It is no entertainment to see a DRS overtake before the corner.
It's no entertainment seeing a good car crippled mid season.
Might as well change it to wrestling format and cater for the casual viewers and sod all the real fans.

It's meant to be a sport, not an entertainment show.
 
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You are right in that it isn't F1, in the old sense of the word.
However, you must remember that this is 2011. No 1990.
Rules change. Racing styles change.
Drivers change.
Attitudes change.
You previously used the word "entertainment". I find that the racing in 2011 is more entertaining that in previous years. It isn't "true" (old style), F1 racing, but I find it much more entertaining.

In the old days, if a car is leading after the final pit stop, it was game over and a procession for the remainder of the race. In 2011, this is no longer the case. Until you cross the finishing line, there is no guarantee that you will win the race.

In China (I think it was), we saw Hamilton overtake Vettel in the dying laps of the race.
In Monaco, we saw Alonso hounding Vettel, whose tyres were completely shot (the red flag saved him).
In Canada, we saw Button overtake on the last lap.

The above is why I am loving the racing in 2011.

Totally unpredictable.
No processions.
Racing for the win, right up to the flag.
 
Yes entertaining for some, not to me. Well not certain aspects. It also doesn't need to be like the 80s. As I said many times I would like alternative fuels in the regs like electric.
 
Kerming said:
Its just rbr using this for qulifine, all they are doing is chucking gallons of fuel into the engine and alterted the timing so the engine poduce's less power but produce's more hot exspanding air over the back of the car. to do this they had to change the engine map provided by mclaren..........it just makes me laugh that they let it go this far into the season with out banning it. The Red Bulls are the main culprits as we all see at every weekend they get pole.

sry mr CS Nuts............your team is cheating.

clear as day.
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And you don't think Mclaren are doing the same thing but just not as successfull with it?

Reading on various forums and scarbs the Mclaren car is doing it as well.

Anyone have a link to the F1 ECU regulations?

If this was against the rules they would have banned it earlier, James Allen wrote about the red bull doing this last july. Barely a protest from anyone on here or the pitlane. Red Bull pound them to pieces and all of a sudden it's wahhh wahhh.

I have no doubt when red bull continues to win we will be back to the flexi wing again. Again anyone have a link with the claim that the front wing cannot deflect by more than Xmm during the race?
 
Can't see anything in sporting regulation, under technical regulation article 8 covered electrical control systems. Just says any programable circuit must be uniquely identified and a software must have a clear version number and contence be verified before use.

ARTICLE 8 : ELECTRICAL SYSTEMS
8.1 Software and electronics inspection :
8.1.1 Prior to the start of each season the complete electrical system on the car must be examined and all on
board and communications software must be inspected by the FIA Technical Department.
The FIA must be notified of any changes prior to the Event at which such changes are intended to be
implemented.
8.1.2 All re-programmable microprocessors must have a mechanism that allows the FIA to accurately identify
the software version loaded.
8.1.3 All electronic units containing a programmable device, and which are intended for use at an Event, must be
presented to the FIA before each Event in order that they can be identified.
8.1.4 All on-car software versions must be registered with the FIA before use.
8.1.5 The FIA must be able to test the operation of any compulsory electronic safety systems at any time during
an Event.
8.2 Control electronics :
8.2.1 All components of the engine, gearbox, clutch, differential and KERS in addition to all associated actuators
must be controlled by an Electronic Control Unit (ECU) which has been manufactured by an FIA
designated supplier to a specification determined by the FIA.
The ECU may only be used with FIA approved software and may only be connected to the control system
wiring loom, sensors and actuators in an manner specified by the FIA.
8.2.2 All control sensors, actuators and FIA monitoring sensors will be specified and homologated by the FIA.
Each and every component of the control system will be sealed and uniquely identified and their identities
tracked through their life cycle.
These components and units may not be disassembled or modified in any way and seals and identifiers
must remain intact and legible.
8.2.3 The control system wiring loom connectivity will be specified by the FIA.
8.2.4 Pneumatic valve pressure may only be controlled via a passive mechanical regulator or from the ECU and
its operation will be monitored by the ECU.
8.2.5 The car hydraulic system will be monitored by the ECU.
8.2.6 The ECU will be designed to run from a car system supply voltage of 12V nominal provided by a
homologated voltage regulator.
8.3 Start systems :
Any system, the purpose and/or effect of which is to detect when a race start signal is given, is not
permitted.
8.4 Data acquisition :
Any data acquisition system, telemetry system or associated sensors additional to those provided by the
ECU and ADR must be physically separate and completely isolated from any control electronics with the
exception of the primary regulated voltage supply, car system ground and a single communication link to
the ECU and ADR.
8.5 Telemetry :
8.5.1 Telemetry systems must operate at frequencies which have been approved by the FIA.

2011 F1 Technical Regulations 30 of 73 8 March 2011
© 2010 Fédération Internationale de l’Automobile
8.5.2 Pit to car telemetry is prohibited.
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Thanks for that Acid, so clearly they weren't doing anything wrong or evil like some are suggesting. Just some clever thinking.

What I don't understand is the whole point of the single ECU was to make it less open to interpretation. It would seem that is not the case. Before teams where using a map setting to give a form of traction control. It was complex and the FIA couldn't cope with it so they made TC legal.

How do we know they haven't gone back to using a form of TC using engine mapping as it seems anything goes just about??
 
it is far less open to interpratation. they can only play with certain areas and it can only run fia approved software. Which all makes it nice and easy for fia to follow what the teams are doing and of course easy to check.
 
So funny if true - http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/andrewbenson/2011/06/sebasitan_vettel_dashes_hopes.html :p

Initially, the belief among some of Red Bull's rivals was that because the world champions had been the first in exploiting this technology, they must be more advanced with it, and therefore would be hardest hit by any ban.

But Red Bull team principal Christian Horner said over the course of the weekend in Spain that they had tried 'hot blowing' and abandoned it because it was burning the bodywork - so had stuck with the less influential 'cold-blowing', where the throttles are kept open but fuel is not burnt. This produces significantly less energy and so is less effective than hot blowing.

That means that far from the Silverstone ruling hurting Red Bull, it could actually help them - as their closest rivals, Ferrari and McLaren, are both using hot-blowing.
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Funny because it looks like it will do exactly the opposite of what the FIA wanted :p

Lame for us though, but would rather see the other teams beat RB fairly, not through a sudden rule change.
 
CaptainRAVE said:
Funny because it looks like it will do exactly the opposite of what the FIA wanted :p
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I note the emoticon however it does all still depend on if you believe the FIA wanted to stop RBR by making this change of if they were actually doing it for the reasons they have already said.

Charlie whiting said that some teams were more extreme than others while some were "extremely extreme". That suggests that he saw how much the teams were doing it. Why then would they introduce a rule change to hinder a specific team if they have seen that they aren't as aggressive with it as their competition?
 
TBH, I don't feel that the new ruling in Silverstone is going to make much difference. The top3 teams will be evenly matched, depending on the track (in race conditions). RBR will remain the dominant force in qualifying, though McLaren and Ferrari may be faster in the race (depending on the track).

What we need, is a ruling which forces RBR off the podium, consistently, for the remainder of the season. Anything less than that and I'm afraid the rest of the teams are fighting for the minor positions.

A good one would be if your team name begins with R and the surname of your driver begins with V, you must reduce the amount of power your engines output, by 5%. ;)
 
Newey on the BBC F1 forum seemed pretty downbeat about the ban and how their car was pretty much designed around the whole system, Horner is saying one thing while Newey the other, I probably believe Newey at this point but I am sure they will cope and still be up the front.
 
CaptainRAVE said:
Along the lines of "walking a fine line along the FIA rulebook", scarbsf1 has written an interesting article on the McLaren "flexing front wing" - http://scarbsf1.wordpress.com/
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If this is a design feature, then they are fairly stupid. Surely they remember the Ferrari front wing being modified as it was shown to flex by onboard cameras. They should have just moved the cameras.

I fully expect the FIA to say "oy, no!" on this and for the wing to fixed more securely for Silverstone. They cannot be penalised for Valencia as they would have passed all the tests to be legal for that race.
 
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