EDL March Against New Mosque That Turned Out To Be A KFC Cost Police £500,000

[The Running Man]

My neighbours are Muslim and invited me round for a beer to watch football. They're not all bad. I still suspect the minority of tarring the majority.

Thing is without that majority you don't have a minority or if you di that minority is much smaller abd manageable as an absolute number.

Because the population is growing si fast and now have uk passports etc we are now stuck with a huge problem that we cannot fix.

why we have this problem when it was so obvious in coming I have no idea. Possibly naivety possibly stupidity. But who's accountable fir those decisions?

 

[deuse]

You don't get radical atheists blowing stuff up though do you

True. But this happens to you if you're a atheist in Kano.


"Mubarak Bala, 29, is said to have been forcibly medicated by his Muslim relatives, despite being given a clean bill of health by a doctor"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-28010234

So this guy is an atheist but the muslim lot thinks his mentally ill

Backward people are always backward.

 

[Castiel]

You don't get radical atheists blowing stuff up though do you

Atheists blow stuff up all the time for political and economic reasons, just like theists do. The difference is in the individuals justification rather than the underlying reason for the action, of course in some cases the atheism is used as a justification also (see League of Militant Atheists), also people will justify their prejudices through various means be they religious, political or cultural but that doesn't mean the justification is a valid one as in the absence of that justification another would be found instead.

 

[Xordium]

So you should be equally agnostic about Father Christmas (and anything else supernatural, since it can't be tested scientifically).

No, I should not because there is a big difference between what we do know about them. Just because things can't be tested by direct observation does not make them equally potentially false. For example, I can not scientifically determine test that this forum, you and the whole universe is nothing but a figment of my/our imagination. However, I have to start somewhere and it seems far more sensible to then believe that this universe does exist. However, I can't prove it scientifically only philosophically.

 

[bitslice]

why we have this problem when it was so obvious in coming I have no idea. Possibly naivety possibly stupidity. But who's accountable fir those decisions?

Naive Labour for letting them in because they ran out of voters, stupid Liberals for censoring the debate by calling everyone racist, so nobody did anything until it was too late. Politicians always think about themselves first.

Atheists blow stuff up all the time for political and economic reasons, just like theists do. The difference is in the individuals justification rather than the underlying reason for the action.

You can negotiate with the IRA and eventually they will shut up and go away.
Doesn't appear to work with Islam, they never shut up and they never go away.

Atheists want stuff and are generally rational, Islam irrationally demands the whole world and will corrupt any society to meet those aims.

 

[Zenduri]

I remember it well. I was one of hundreds that were drafted in from other forces.

You served your country well protecting the colonel!

 

[Castiel]

You can negotiate with the IRA and eventually they will shut up and go away.
Doesn't appear to work with Islam, they never shut up and they never go away.

Atheists want stuff and are generally rational, Islam irrationally demands the whole world and will corrupt any society to meet those aims.

And who is this Islam you speak of? You seem to be confusing the religion with politically motivated militancy.

In reality you can potentially negotiate with any militant organisation, Islam doesn't demand anything, people do and where there are people, there is potential for negotiation and settlement, equally there is potential for corruption and conflict. What each individual believes is largely immaterial, it's what they want which really dictates their actions.

Do you really think Stalinist pogroms for example can really be defined by their rationale?

 

[Von Smallhausen]

It was a rough day, HybridX. The tea was a mockery !

All work and poor tea makes Von a dull boy.

 

[Gilly]

How do you know that is a typical edl member ? Do you personally know then all ? Personally I've never met one (that I know of) so wouldn't generalise about them all. Seems to me you are judging them the same way you believe they judge others ?

I don't personally know them all, no. I've met several though, and they're your average BNP/UKIP/NF lout.

Oxygen thieves the lot of them.

I think the same about this video on the BBC

This thread is about EDL. Why are you pointing me towards a video about Welsh people relocating to Iraq?

 

[bitslice]

And who is this Islam you speak of? You seem to be confusing the religion with politically motivated militancy.

Heh, I only switched to Islamist in previous postings because you noticed

OK, within any group there is the same vocal Islamist section, for convienience you might as well associate one with the other as the pattern repeats worldwide.
For that matter you can correlate poverty, violence and Islam.


InB4 correlation does not imply causation.
Except it does.

 

[Sliver]

You can only dismiss god with a belief of your own that is to the opposite, not scientifically, so best not to get on the highhorse.

True as that might be, we can apply the logic you used previously to dismiss Santa Claus, to dismiss God. After years of studying theology, mainly the Abrahamic faiths, it's clear to me that while we cannot disprove Gods existence, we can at least apply a probability to his existence. That probability is virtually zero once you understand the origins of biblical texts, the falsehoods contained in these texts, the inconsistencies within them, the immorality inherent within them, the lack of empirical evidence for miracles, the lack of empirical evidence for an after life or even intercessory prayer etc., etc. You get the point.

It seems self evident to the erudite, that man made god and not vice versa. However, as nobody can possibly disprove with absolute certainty a Gods existence, the myth persists in the minds of the credulous. Just like the myth of Santa Claus persists in the minds of children.

 

[D.P.]

one thing thats worrying from that link is that 15% of our prison population are Muslim o.O

for sub 3% of the nations population that's quite alarming

What is even more worrying is that 90% of the people in prisen are poor it should be illegal to be poor and we should throw all the poor people off this island to make it safer

 

[Castiel]

Heh, I only switched to Islamist in previous postings because you noticed

OK, within any group there is the same vocal Islamist section, for convienience you might as well associate one with the other as the pattern repeats worldwide.
For that matter you can correlate poverty, violence and Islam.


InB4 correlation does not imply causation.
Except it does.

So Islam is now responsible for poverty and violence as well as whatever else it is you are associating with it?

In any case whether it is Islamism or any other form of socio-political movement there is always the potential for negotiation and settlement, equally there is potential for conflict and corruption...these things are not confined to religious movements, not by a long way. You used the IRA in your example, ironically this illustrates this point eminently as within the microcosm of the IRA and its splinter groups we have those who are open to negotiation and settlement and those who are not as well as the gamut of conflict, corruption and collusion that you suggest is the sole domain of Islam(ism).

I'm sure if you just think about it, you will realise the fallaciousness of your original conclusion.

 

[bitslice]

So Islam is now responsible for poverty and violence as well as whatever else it is you are associating with it?

Well it does have the knack of killing all social, economic, moral and scientific progress in every country it infects. With trillions in oil revenue they should be economic superpowers, except they aren't. One is a fancy Butlins, the rest are busy plotting to destroy Israel.
I'm not saying anything, history does that for me, that and **** all Nobel prizes from any of them.

Pretty much all of the IRA groups have what they want, the rest will be dead in 20 years.
There is no getting rid of Islamists.

 

[estebanrey]

There is a huge difference between Father Christmas (and the various cultural equivalents) and the concept of God. Xordium is right insofar that we can follow a defined pathway when determining the validity of Father Christmas whereas no such pathway is possible with God, mainly due to the indeterminable nature of defining God in the first place.

So, no it isn't logically sound to assume an equal scepticism.

Your last sentence in the first paragraph belittles your argument. If God can not be determined or defined, then it by definition impossible to place any faith at all in its existence.

 

[estebanrey]

So Islam is now responsible for poverty and violence as well as whatever else it is you are associating with it?

The Middle East was the forefront of mathematics, astrology and science a thousand years ago.

It is undeniable that the propagation of Islam at that time not only halted but reversed what was at the time the most progressive and scientific civilization on Earth.

Sadly we are starting to see the same in America, with Christian fundamentalism pushing the US behind Europe in terms of scientific progress.

 

[MikeTheNative]

What is even more worrying is that 90% of the people in prisen are poor it should be illegal to be poor and we should throw all the poor people off this island to make it safer

Was going to say this, one of the reasons that there is a high percentage of young black males as well.

 

[Sliver]

Your last sentence in the first paragraph belittles your argument. If God can not be determined or defined, then it by definition impossible to place any faith at all in its existence.

Correct. Faith is belief without evidence. The default position of a rational mind is to reject all claims until we have sufficient evidence to believe them.

 

[Twirlywoos]

It'd always the minority unfortunately....

They sound like Muslims who are dysfunctional. Disregarding their beliefs to appease others sound like they are very weak.

 

[Castiel]

Your last sentence in the first paragraph belittles your argument. If God can not be determined or defined, then it by definition impossible to place any faith at all in its existence.

Actually it does the opposite. The idea that because a concept has a myriad of different interpretations and can be determined across a broad spectrum of beliefs while defying a universally held definition only illustrates the necessity for faith within the boundaries of the individual based upon their own subjective experience and rationalisation.

Just because you do not have faith doesn't mean it is impossible for others.