Eid Mubarak
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I was just about to post this. It was physically impossible for the Saudi's to have sighted the moon!
I just don't understand how such a thing can be disupted in this day and age - really annoying
What makes it worse is the Muslim's in more scientifically advanced countries just end up following another country regardless of the facts.
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Lol.Not sure if your being serious, but its the festival at end of the month of fasting for us pesky terroris....sorry muslims
Yes, my humour fails me at times, all the time!
The new moon was supposedly sighted today in Saudi Arabia. It is impossible! The age of the moon at supposed sighting was 7 hours old, meaning there was no crescent.
Its a problem which occurs every year. In Nigeria the new moon was supposedly sighted on the 28th, before the new moon was astronomically born.
Of course people refuse to accept scientific data which is 100% correct. Luckily countries like Pakistan and India have fairly good academic institutions which do supplement sightings with scientific data. Saudi Arabia still relies on a sighting committee with old men. If the new moon did occur, why is it out of millions of people in Saudi Arabia not a single photo can be shown. Every other year, problems like this occur.
PS Eid Mubarak to all.
Problem is, we couldnt organise a pee up in a brewery, and the hadith etc leave a lot of ambiguity for many of us to guess the day,we should either go with the nearest muslim country get our act in order here in the UK.
In all honesty, im happier to go with Saudi than i am with Pakistan, ive spoken to many scholars,mufti's and mullahs from both 'countries', and tbh the Pakistani's hatred for the Saudi's tend to colour their judgement, and the Pakistani's tend want to go with whatever the local mullah or pir says rather than their 'academic institutions' (dont make me laugh!)
I think as far as the teachings stand, we cannot use any form of prediction, which the moonsigting website is, but theres nothing stopping us from using a big ass telescope, which would confirm the new moon is tomorrow.
Anyone wanna donate a telescope to the mullahs
I suppose the fact that the earth spins on it's axis is also a prediction, along with it going around the sun. The moon travels a set path, it does not move randomly, therefore we can chart with upmost certainty when and where it will be visible - it is not a guess or an educated guess.
Not having a go at you but really fed up with how certain authorities refuse to let Islam move with the times - as it should.
Not really, its the equivalent of your xmas, so hardly a bad thing, its a 3 day affair, so most of us will book off 3 days holiday anyway.
Anyone wanna donate a telescope to the mullahs
I agree that sightings are necessary. But I think the burden of evidence should increase. We live in age where we can photograph everything right? Why can't this be done and then analysed?
As for large telescopes, some countries' commitees follow the that it must be seen with a naked eye.
I believe Libya actually just go with the time and date of the astronomical new moon to declare eid.
Im not disagreeing with you in the slightest, the moon is always there ffs
That said the new moon is tomorrow, the fact that it cannot be seen with a naked eye is the issue.
The Saudi's have claimed to have seen the moon!
Depends how you look at it. This Eid is the end of Ramadan, a month that allows you to appreciate how fortunate you are and learn more about your religion so it's important to try and get the day right. Though I wish it was all on the same day.
There is always a disagreement over the actual day but there is no wrong in being in close proximity of each others day of celebrating - I will be doing it on Wednesday.
Eid Mubarak!
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We have two eids, one is Eid ul Fitr which is celebrating the end of ramadan, and the second one is Eid ul Adha which is at the end of Hajj - pilgrimage (roughly speaking).
The problems are basically down to the calender that we use, we use the lunar calender,, which means dates vary for key events when compared to the Gregorian calender.
Easter is also based on the lunar calender iirc
The Muslim calendar is based on the cycles of the moon. The start of Ramadan is when the new moon appears and it then ends when the next new moon appears.
I'm sure someone more knowledgable will give you a better reply.
(although there is always WiKi)As did the greeks, romans and god knows how many others. Muslim cultures did keep a lot of the old knowledge alive while we were busy burning witches though.
Muslims back then did a good job of pooling knowledge together from different civilisations, its just unfortunate we are going through the equivalent of Europes dark ages now
