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[Mercenary Keyboard Warrior]

Agile is all about when.
If your a heavy user in 4-7pm then no

If you can avoid most usage at that time then quite possibly a good move

Are you an octopus customer, if so check out

Agile Portal

Agile Portal

agile.octopushome.net

You can look at history and compare your consumption (very top left)

 

[200sols]

Since MKW joined, agile is the most expensive it's been in months

 

[bigmike20vt]

Agile is all about when.
If your a heavy user in 4-7pm then no

If you can avoid most usage at that time then quite possibly a good move

Are you an octopus customer, if so check out

Agile Portal

Agile Portal

agile.octopushome.net

You can look at history and compare your consumption (very top left)

that link is interesting but i dont think it works for me....... i am on intelligent octopus and it thinks my average kwh cost is quite high. does it support intelligent octopus when it gives out of normal tarif shedules or does it just assume 28p or what ever 5:30-23:30 and 7.5p 23:30-5:30?


for instance in january here is a very obvious one. With that high use it would have involved me charging my car.......... which means the lions share of that would have been at 7.5pkwh. there is no way it would have cost me £11.84

Date	Consumption (kWh)	Your tariff average (p)	Agile average (p)	Your tariff cost (£)	Agile cost (£)
14/01/2024	46.53	25.15	18.17	11.84	7.72

 

[Mercenary Keyboard Warrior]

that link is interesting but i dont think it works for me....... i am on intelligent octopus and it thinks my average kwh cost is quite high. does it support intelligent octopus when it gives out of normal tarif shedules or does it just assume 28p or what ever 5:30-23:30 and 7.5p 23:30-5:30?


for instance in january here is a very obvious one. With that high use it would have involved me charging my car.......... which means the lions share of that would have been at 7.5pkwh. there is no way it would have cost me £11.84

Date	Consumption (kWh)	Your tariff average (p)	Agile average (p)	Your tariff cost (£)	Agile cost (£)
14/01/2024	46.53	25.15	18.17	11.84	7.72

I think it just gives you your tariff average, I did mine myself in excel when looking but its hard to take account of how your behaviour would/could change
So I think its an ok estimate if your on a standard type tariff but pretty iffy if already on a smart TOU tariff

 

[Richie]

Did you find a source for the claim that you are funding the infrastructure yet?

Did I say that? Cant seem to remember saying that. I'm sure you can help me out there but its funny... In my head I put money on it being you that brings my "subsidising" post up so you didnt disappoint.


EDIT - What I may have said is that certain regions pay more than others and that these regions also produce the bulk of the electric for the lower SC paying regions who use it. If you can point to the bit that's incorrect there, I am all ears

 

[jpaul]

So the octopus compare tool is crap and doesn't remember your usage profile across the day to accurately tell you what cost with other tarifs would have been
- like I'd suggested

 

[rumple9]

Agile is all about when.
If your a heavy user in 4-7pm then no

If you can avoid most usage at that time then quite possibly a good move

Are you an octopus customer, if so check out

Agile Portal

Agile Portal

agile.octopushome.net

You can look at history and compare your consumption (very top left)

Thanks for this - based on the comparison link it said I would have saved 42-46% over the last 4 months, so I've signed up

 

[Gammawolf]

So the octopus compare tool is crap and doesn't remember your usage profile across the day to accurately tell you what cost with other tarifs would have been
- like I'd suggested

You talking about this octopus compare or something else?

 

[bigmike20vt]

So the octopus compare tool is crap and doesn't remember your usage profile across the day to accurately tell you what cost with other tarifs would have been
- like I'd suggested

I wouldn't say crap.... just not intelligent enough to deal with intelligent octopus.

for agile or SVR or tracker i guess it works

 

[MrMarvelous]

Think i've asked this a while back but don't remember getting a response.

Anyone here gone from E.ON to Octopus? If so, has your energy bill dropped at all? I'm currently doing gas and electric through E.ON.

 

[jpaul]

You talking about this octopus compare or something else?

yes that one ..
so if you compare across multiple days ie week or month. will it give you the total for both Agile & tracker, by calculating the sumfor each tarif having compared those historic days individually. ?

in the excerpt bigmike included - agile average * consumption != agile cost ?

for instance in january here is a very obvious one. With that high use it would have involved me charging my car.......... which means the lions share of that would have been at 7.5pkwh. there is no way it would have cost me £11.84

Date	Consumption (kWh)	Your tariff average (p)	Agile average (p)	Your tariff cost (£)	Agile cost (£)
14/01/2024	46.53	25.15	18.17	11.84	7.72

 

[Gammawolf]

bigmike is refering to the compare feature in the agile portal which yes, is hot garbage with its average on smart tariffs!

In the Octopus Compare app it does as you asked, it calcs the price per half hour as you would have consumed it on either tariff (you can add intelligent go, flux etc) for each day. For weekly/monthly it adds those individual days together to produce your weekly/monthly comparison price. It is accurate

 

[200sols]

Did I say that? Cant seem to remember saying that. I'm sure you can help me out there but its funny... In my head I put money on it being you that brings my "subsidising" post up so you didnt disappoint.


EDIT - What I may have said is that certain regions pay more than others and that these regions also produce the bulk of the electric for the lower SC paying regions who use it. If you can point to the bit that's incorrect there, I am all ears

Because this idea that you are subsidising the south seems to have no basis in fact. So I just asked for you to back it up. Fact is the supply infrastructure in regions is not the same and that is the point, you actually seem to be asking for other reasons to subsidise your higher costs rather than the other way round.

 

[Richie]

Because this idea that you are subsidising the south seems to have no basis in fact. So I just asked for you to back it up. Fact is the supply infrastructure in regions is not the same and that is the point, you actually seem to be asking for other reasons to subsidise your higher costs rather than the other way round.

Hmmm... I'm not sure you read what I wrote properly. I put the word subsidise in quotes and even explicitly stated why I put it in quotes as I can't think of a better word i.e. a more accurate word isn't coming to mind. I then went on to try and explain what I meant. So to pass off an OPINION as if I am stating facts and asking for proof is a little off but you do you.

 

[jpaul]

In the Octopus Compare app it does as you asked, it calcs the price per half hour as you would have consumed it on either tariff (you can add intelligent go, flux etc) for each day. For weekly/monthly it adds those individual days together to produce your weekly/monthly comparison price. It is accurate

so which was better for you across previous months tracker or agile - my calculation has tracker, by some 20%, w/o considering common standing charge,

we also use pretty much the same electric across winter, so discrete comparison of specific months (if that's possible with app)
wouldn't suggest a switching strategy would be optimal, but we had a mild winter, and you can't instantly switch anyway.

 

[Gammawolf]

For me every month since Dec has been cheaper on Agile - over that period it works out to be just touching 20% cheaper than tracker. We weren't switched for most of that time however so i expect we'll actaully get a few more % as theres effort not to run things like driers or dishwasher loads during expensive times. It'll be a tad lower now because the April agile adds a few pennys more per day to the SC. My switch was done online, completed in an hour or two and was live the next day.

 

[Simon]

Tracker is based on agile as an average. So if you load shift to cheaper times it will always be cheaper.

Plus SC lower on agile

 

[Mercenary Keyboard Warrior]

So from what I can tell on the grid and as ever its tricky to find much detail.
The costs of the grid are shared (unknown) split to the generators and the consumers.
Again unclear if the users are charged via SC or units. Suspect its SC but its not certain.

I guess its another conversation in that areas with adequate generation and no real need to send energy out are having to share (socialise) the costs to get energy to low producing and high consumption areas (London/SE).
Without the high demand down there some of the national grid work would not be needed.

It does seem a little out that the national part of the grid needs to be socalised even with areas with vast excess of generation not needing any grid in effect, but the rest is localised and hence your pretty much always going to socialise the big stuff and yet the generation is typically going to be in the areas where the population is lowest and hence the areas where the generation is likely to be built.

 

[200sols]

So from what I can tell on the grid and as ever its tricky to find much detail.
The costs of the grid are shared (unknown) split to the generators and the consumers.
Again unclear if the users are charged via SC or units. Suspect its SC but its not certain.

I guess its another conversation in that areas with adequate generation and no real need to send energy out are having to share (socialise) the costs to get energy to low producing and high consumption areas (London/SE).
Without the high demand down there some of the national grid work would not be needed.

It does seem a little out that the national part of the grid needs to be socalised even with areas with vast excess of generation not needing any grid in effect, but the rest is localised and hence your pretty much always going to socialise the big stuff and yet the generation is typically going to be in the areas where the population is lowest and hence the areas where the generation is likely to be built.

It would make sense to be in the unit price, unit prices are higher in London than for example Scotland but its rarely mentioned. But as usual Ofgem are not forthcoming with details.

Of course those regions with generation also benefit from the demand for skilled workforces in those areas. E.g the new Scotland - England links are expected to generate many jobs.

Research undertaken by National Grid has found there will be an estimated 400,000 jobs created by 2050 due to the work needed to rewire Britain’s grid, including about 150,000 jobs anticipated in Scotland and the north of England.

 

[Mercenary Keyboard Warrior]

It would make sense to be in the unit price, unit prices are higher in London than for example Scotland but its rarely mentioned. But as usual Ofgem are not forthcoming with details.

Of course those regions with generation also benefit from the demand for skilled workforces in those areas. E.g the new Scotland - England links are expected to generate many jobs.

Nah details are difficult to find.
150/400 isn't that great a ratio

Its far from transparent

So we just need to find a way to balance the local environmental impacts, including asthetics now we have concluded the financial side is probably reasonably fair