Energy Prices (Strictly NO referrals!)
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Soldato
This is correct, but if you want to go over 3.68kw they can apply a fee to upgrade if the local area cannot support your export.*
Its always possible they could move that number (3.68) lower for future connections should the local area be receiving too much local generation.
Its highly unlikely IMO we will ever hit that issue.
* I believe they make the assumption that every property could at some point be exporting 3.68kw.
Soldato
My own SC was 68% of my June bill
(I didnt use July as I was away for 2 week so it would have been even more but an unfair comparison)Annually my SC works out at 43% of the bill though
In which case you are either:My own SC was 68% of my June bill
Annually my SC works out at 43% of the bill though
An abnormally low user
A solar array and/or batteries
The first is an edge case that’s effectively unavoidable.
For the latter, it’s by design.
These days we will be getting to the point that for every abnormally low user, they’ll be someone else with Solar who needs to contribute.
To add to the above, the costs are likely to come down for people if the standard tariff was time of use.
I’m not talking about 30 min slots but big fixed blocks of the day when energy is always more expensive e.g. 4-7pm and other blocks when energy is cheaper e.g. 11am-4pm and 7pm-12pm.
This would better reflect the real cost of production.
I’m not talking about 30 min slots but big fixed blocks of the day when energy is always more expensive e.g. 4-7pm and other blocks when energy is cheaper e.g. 11am-4pm and 7pm-12pm.
This would better reflect the real cost of production.
Soldato
It isn't unusual to have standing charges as 50% of the bill. My bill for July was £15 standing charges, £18 volumetric.
If you have gas heating/cooking thats pretty typical.
Soldato
According to my latest bill, they have estimated:
1,300kWh Elec
2,900kWh Gas
It can be classed as abnormally low but that doesnt mean its not also partly by design as opposed to simply "effectively unavoidable"
Triple A appliances
LED bulbs throughout
Very modern house build with modern wall insulation, loft insulation, double glazing)
Low boiler flow rates (circa 60°C for CH and 50°C for HW) on a modern condensing boiler with weather compensation and NEST thermostats
It is pretty low. I have been complaining about the SC for the last 2-3 years now and the normal response I get is to bring my low consumption into it to shut down my argument... Which is why I now find it amusing that more and more people are now suddenly annoyed about the SC because it makes up a large and larger part of their own bill.
Soldato
I think he is referring to annual bill... To use Summer in isolation as a representation is biased... You need to use the whole year as it will be lower in Winter (I have given my annual SC portion above - it works out as 43% of my annual bill)
It’s really not.
£18 buys you 82kwh at 22p/kwh.
Typical use is 3600kwh/year or around 10kwh per day as a dual fuel user.
£18 in a month buys you 3kWh per day.
Your usage is 1/3 of a typical household on electric and well below 1/3 typical on gas, of course the fixed element of the bill is going to be a higher proportion.
A modern efficiency house doesn’t really change electricity consumption either. Cheap AAA appliances have been available for a decade or more, it’s got to the point they e had to change the rating scheme because everything was AAA.
Unfortunately the charges are structured around typical use, not edge cases like you AND me.
Electric usage for a typical person is not substantially different between summer and winter anymore thanks to things like LED lighting.
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Soldato
Electricity will be pretty stable across the year if you have gas heating.
Soldato
That is typical use. So assume somewhere around average. That means half of people will be lower than that. So its not abnormally low as you were suggesting. It maybe is in the bottom 20-30%.
3kWh a day is absolutely abnormally low if you don’t have solar and batteries.
Just running appliances like a fridge/freezer will be making up most of that load.
Soldato
Sure but that doesn't mean I am unjustified in believing the SC is higher than it could be and is not helped by the fact that there is no info out there breaking down the actual costs in £ and p.
I didnt realise the discussion was solely on electric and excluded gas.
Soldato
Its not abnormally low. Where are you getting that from?
Typical use is approx average use. Half of people (roughly) will be lower than that.
Most people have gas heating, and some people still have gas cooking.
Averaging around 3.5 kWh a day.
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Soldato
Octopus to repay £3bn to taxpayers for Bulb rescue
The government will recover almost all the cost of temporarily nationalising Bulb in 2021.
www.bbc.co.uk
Also 20p a day covers a lot, that is £73 a year x 29million electricity meters, thats a lot of cash.
Soldato
Chat GPT's view is that 10-15% of households would use less than 1100 kWh per day, and that 'abnormally' low would need to be less than 5%.
There is info out there, it’s been posted in this thread today or yesterday. They did a review in 2021.
It doesn’t but the standing charges on gas are basically half that of electricity.
Its not abnormally low. Where are you getting that from?
Typical use is approx average use. Half of people (roughly) will be lower than that.
Most people have gas heating, and some people still have gas cooking.
Averaging around 3.5 kWh a day.
Even with gas cooking 3kWh a day IS extremely low.
You still need a base level of power to run the basics in a house. You really have to go out of your way to consume so little and is likely only possible as a single person without solar and batteries.
You are an edge case, just accept it.
It’s been fully recovered already, if it almost fully recovered.
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