Energy Prices (Strictly NO referrals!)
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Soldato
Blimey, 13p (12.98) for leccy tomorrow on Tracker!
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Soldato
16.27p p/kWh for me on the tracker tomorrow but yes that's significantly lower and out of the blue.
Good timing as well because the weather looks like it's going to be as **** as it was today so my solar panels are not going to do anything.
Cooking roast dinner tomorrow so with the oven use that save a few pennies.
Good timing as well because the weather looks like it's going to be as **** as it was today so my solar panels are not going to do anything.
Cooking roast dinner tomorrow so with the oven use that save a few pennies.
had my bill so far reminding me how much energy I didn't use and how I'm not destroying the planet.
2 January 2024 - 21 October 2024
January till march the standing charge was
then from april
The joys of living alone, the absolute scam of standing charge, pensioners must feel it harder than I do as well.... whole thing id absolutely disgusting predatory behaviour
no MPs will ever do anything about it because their mates would likely lose out. makes me wanna go smash crap up and riot 100%
2 January 2024 - 21 October 2024
January till march the standing charge was
then from april
The joys of living alone, the absolute scam of standing charge, pensioners must feel it harder than I do as well.... whole thing id absolutely disgusting predatory behaviour
no MPs will ever do anything about it because their mates would likely lose out. makes me wanna go smash crap up and riot 100%
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can I get a breakdown of those costs.
if no one lives here there's still the same "costs" which in reality is nothing, you act like they are replacing cables all the time...
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There is a breakdown on the ofgem website.
The network still needs to be maintained. And actually yes, they actually are replacing equipment all the time.
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Your acting as if it's just maintenance arknor it's loads of stuff, maintenance, staff cost, network costs, operation costs, vulnerable customers programs, providers going bust etc. You may not necessarily agree with it but it is what it is.
If they did anything to lower / remove it all that would happen is the unit rates go up to offset the loss.
If they did anything to lower / remove it all that would happen is the unit rates go up to offset the loss.
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Soldato
The key question is not about these costs being there, its just about who pays. If you use more energy, why shouldn't you pay a higher proportion of the network costs too? Arguably you rely more on the network as a higher user, so you should pay proportionally to its upkeep and all those other things you mentioned. Otherwise its regressive.
I do agree, my own bill is 50% standing charges pretty much as I use very little
While someone who is an energy hog/big family gets that for a much lesser percentage overall which isn't exactly fair for having a much bigger drain on resources.
But I can never see it changing to a system where the more you use the more you pay and visa versa. The top end will never allow it to actually happen.
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You already pay more for the more you use. But that doesn’t mean there isn’t a fixed cost per customer that needs to be recovered. Not everything has to be or makes sense a fully progressive form of billing.
My bill from usage will be near zero or perhaps even negative. The standing charge will likely make up nearly 100% of any bill I actually get, that doesn’t mean I also think it should be reduced.
For every very low user reducing the standing charge benefits, it also benefits high users of electricity who have solar and batteries. They rinse the electricity when it’s cheap and export it when it’s expensive.
My bill from usage will be near zero or perhaps even negative. The standing charge will likely make up nearly 100% of any bill I actually get, that doesn’t mean I also think it should be reduced.
For every very low user reducing the standing charge benefits, it also benefits high users of electricity who have solar and batteries. They rinse the electricity when it’s cheap and export it when it’s expensive.
Yup.
Soldato
4 years ago i was paying less than 20p iirc it was 14p on my SS now its around 80p and going up next year
why is this? i know there were companys that went under but thats apparently paid off now, so why is the extra needed
yes i understand it will cost more but 4x the price??
not looking for an argument im just intrested why its so much now?
why is this? i know there were companys that went under but thats apparently paid off now, so why is the extra needed
yes i understand it will cost more but 4x the price??
not looking for an argument im just intrested why its so much now?
Part of it is because more network costs were moved into the standing charge when the rate peaked during the initial invasion of Ukraine.
Another element is the ballooning costs of certain historic incentives such as solar FIT contracts which are index linked and not due to expire for many years.
Part of it is because a load of energy infrastructure needs to be renewed and rebuilt as we transition away from renewables.
IMO, a lot of these charges should have been placed on gas to discourage its use instead of making electricity more expensive which means more gas is used.
Another element is the ballooning costs of certain historic incentives such as solar FIT contracts which are index linked and not due to expire for many years.
Part of it is because a load of energy infrastructure needs to be renewed and rebuilt as we transition away from renewables.
IMO, a lot of these charges should have been placed on gas to discourage its use instead of making electricity more expensive which means more gas is used.
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The important thing isn't how much you use really, its the peak you use.
If we scaled the grid and all the associated hardware to cover everyone using naff all, then your peak consumption would also be limited to naff all.
Maybe we should have a low Sc low peak tariff. You get to pay less SC but your house gets a 13amp fuse.
Lets see how all the "low users" cope with only being able to consumer 3kw peak.
Rules out electric showers, heating when your boiling the kettle etc.
Yep.
British consumer 101. Complain about services. Complain when modernising them costs money. Expect someone else to pay for it.
There is also the idiotic mis management of Ofgem. Not only did their caps forced many suppliers out of business they also destroyed the ability of suppliers to vary tariffs.
I used to often get a higher Sc but much lower unit cost tariff as a high user. Part of comparing the energy market was to find a tariff that suited you.
Now the suppliers are basically forced to all charge the same due to Ofgem idiocy.
If we scaled the grid and all the associated hardware to cover everyone using naff all, then your peak consumption would also be limited to naff all.
Maybe we should have a low Sc low peak tariff. You get to pay less SC but your house gets a 13amp fuse.
Lets see how all the "low users" cope with only being able to consumer 3kw peak.
Rules out electric showers, heating when your boiling the kettle etc.
Yep.
British consumer 101. Complain about services. Complain when modernising them costs money. Expect someone else to pay for it.
There is also the idiotic mis management of Ofgem. Not only did their caps forced many suppliers out of business they also destroyed the ability of suppliers to vary tariffs.
I used to often get a higher Sc but much lower unit cost tariff as a high user. Part of comparing the energy market was to find a tariff that suited you.
Now the suppliers are basically forced to all charge the same due to Ofgem idiocy.
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Thing is the gas network doesn't have many of the costs of the electricity local grids, many rural properties are simply not connected to the gas network so the largest parts of the cost of serving rural properties are not present. However, the green levies could easily be moved to the gas charges.
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The green levies were specifically what I meant.
But likewise you could apply a levy on bottled gas and heating oil, it wouldn’t be particularly difficult or expensive to do.