Energy Prices (Strictly NO referrals!)

[bigmike20vt]

Don't have dishwasher, there is no need. I have purchased heat pump dryer. Don't fly abroad in holiday, drive and older car, cycle to work. Sold the PC and got a laptop, ,4 year old smart phone cos it still works fine.
I don't need lecturing on energy usage thanks

it's not just about you though its about average people.... you were the one calling people fools.

dishwasher is an interesting one. my brother in-law for instance refuses to use his and always washes by hand.

our wash uses 13l of water (from memory) on an eco wash and not sure how much electricity but it isn't a huge amount (I would guess maybe less than 1kwh)

we run it once every other day so 2 breakfasts, 2 evening meals and on average 1 lunch for a 3 person family.
Vs washing after every meal using gas heated water.

not sure either way but if I had to guess I would put my money on the dishwasher using less.

 

[Megahurtz400]

not about being a fool either way. it is just a sensible and fairer way to do it .

for those who absolutely refuse to go on a smart meter I imagine the standard price will go up and up and up , either that or you will be forced into one.

What about if I tried to get a smart meter fitted and took a total of three days off work when and the engineer didn't even bother to turn up? SSE (I think?) were the company installing it and could only give an AM/PM slot and refused to do anything like "The engineer can give you a call when he's on his way" etc. etc. I gave up in the end as I live alone so my energy bills are usually under £60pm anyway and i'm lucky enough to be able to afford the higher prices anyway.

Luckily me staying at home for a day doesn't affect my income but for some people this would end up needing to be worked out in the savings.

 

[robgmun]

Wow, what a mindset. **** everyone else and **** the planet, basically.

Planets already ******. Me doing my washing in the evening isn't going to save the world

Time of use savings will soon be time of use charging, if u can't see that you must be a fool.

Carrot then stick, oldest play in the book

It's called Economy 7, which we've had since the 80's

 

[LabR@t]

Planets already ******. Me doing my washing in the evening isn't going to save the world


It's called Economy 7, which we've had since the 80's

Yes, I know I had e7 a very long time ago, i understand how that works it is different to paying different prices based on demand.

The end game is a system that moves the cost up/down by the hour or 30min window. That is impractical and not how I want to pay for my energy. I plan to install solar and batteries next year so it will be irrelevant.

 

[robgmun]

Yes, I know I had e7 a very long time ago, i understand how that works it is different to paying different prices based in demand.

But that's the whole idea of E7

 

[jpaul]

I would rather use power when it's needed not when it's cheaper thanks

yes, at the absurd level, if they stopped running electric trains @peak times, because the energy is expensive that would ruin the economy, and similarly in microcosm if you perpetually had to shift when you eat in the evening,
children & yourselves would be in bed later with economic/health consequences, could have half the population on mandated night shift ?
so mechanisms for government to provide storage for peak demand are needed, versus less efficient home subsidy of battery/pv

Since they are only estimating a few winter days at risk the octopus strategy of renumerating those who shift established historic peak time use sounds good ... has already been discussed in this thread,
yes I could save money on octopus TOU tarif too, (choose life ..) I could buy/charge an electric car and work from the office (sic)

With Macron wearing polo necks now, expect to see Truss dressing appropriately, covid&smart meter advertising seems to have worked so refusing to advertise energy strategies saving seems dumb.

 

[LabR@t]

it's not just about you though its about average people.... you were the one calling people fools.

dishwasher is an interesting one. my brother in-law for instance refuses to use his and always washes by hand.

our wash uses 13l of water (from memory) on an eco wash and not sure how much electricity but it isn't a huge amount (I would guess maybe less than 1kwh)

we run it once every other day so 2 breakfasts, 2 evening meals and on average 1 lunch for a 3 person family.
Vs washing after every meal using gas heated water.

not sure either way but if I had to guess I would put my money on the dishwasher using less.

The water is heated daily and stored in a tank, it is then used or not if it's not used less energy is then required to reheat it.

Combi boilers are inefficient for families.

 

[LabR@t]

But that's the whole idea of E7

E7 ha set established time zone. Not based on moving times.

 

[Richie]

Use less ?

The current monthly SC is almost the same as my previous full bill from the start of the year.

If I was struggling at that level then using less wouldn't be an option. I'd have to use almost zero Elec and gas and still be paying the same as I was when I could use Elec/gas

 

[Surveyor]

That's okay - just know that your decision will end up costing you hundreds, maybe thousands a year in higher energy costs.

My Smart Meter is saving me £1,400 a year on the current Government subsidised electricity unit cost. Without the Government fixing the unit price, that saving would be £2,300.

Incorrect !
If the unit price is less, then you save money on the energy you use

Having a smart meter enables me to go onto a Time of Use (TOU) tariff - where the energy unit cost is less.
My SM sends my energy supplier meter readings every 30 minutes, so they know how much I've used and when, during a 30 mins period. This means for a period of the day/night my unit rate is 7.5p vs 34p, which everyone without a SM is on.

So, for people without a SM, not on a TOU tarrif, 500 kWh costs them £170, yet it costs me £37.50

Half the story. A smart meter enables you to go onto a Time of Use tariff but having things like an EV and battery storage are also required to make the saving you're talking about.

 

[SDK^]

Half the story. A smart meter enables you to go onto a Time of Use tariff but having things like an EV and battery storage are also required to make the saving you're talking about.

Yes currently that's how it works for the Octopus Go and other EV tariffs.

However, this new Octopus TOU just needs a Smart Meter, and into the future there will be more and more TOU tariffs for people with SM's

Read more here :

We paid customers to use less power at peak times. Here's what happened.

The UK’s energy network is slowly but surely becoming greener, but this transformation isn’t without challenges.At Octopus, we’re all about less talk and more action. That’s why we trialled the UK’s largest ever dynamic demand shift. Working with over 100,000 homes up and down the country, we’ve...

octopus.energy

 

[bigmike20vt]

Half the story. A smart meter enables you to go onto a Time of Use tariff but having things like an EV and battery storage are also required to make the saving you're talking about.

we are in the unfortunate position (mind you truth is it is always the case) where it is those with money who are in the best position to save money. back in the day Terry pratchett covered it accurately in one of his books.

turns out being poor is quite expensive..... I don't have any solutions to offer really only to say that if those who CAN afford to do what they can choose to then hopefully will eventually it will help everyone. (don't mistake that with me defending trickle down economics... that is BS!)

 

[Uther]

we are in the unfortunate position (mind you truth is it is always the case) where it is those with money who are in the best position to save money. back in the day Terry pratchett covered it accurately in one of his books.

turns out being poor is quite expensive..... I don't have any solutions to offer really only to say that if those who CAN afford to do what they can choose to then hopefully will eventually it will help everyone. (don't mistake that with me defending trickle down economics... that is BS!)

Yeah a neighbour has just had a load of solar panels on his roof, plus a few on this garage as well, probably go well with his new Polestar...
Well out of reach for a lot of people.

 

[bigmike20vt]

Yeah a neighbour has just had a load of solar panels on his roof, plus a few on this garage as well, probably go well with his new Polestar...
Well out of reach for a lot of people.

indeed. for now you just have to look at it that for some of the time they will probably be covering everything they use AND giving some spare power back to the neighbours (possibly you) so it does help. also assuming they have a battery and it's rigged up probably they will not be using any power at all when the energy is at its highest demand and dirtiest

but solar is coming down in price and fast. I have wanted solar for well over a decade but simply could not justify the cost (and was not prepared to trust in the feed in scheme which with hindsite was a mistake). but in that.... probably 15 years my salary has gone up a reasonable amount but more importantly the price of a quality system with battery has plummeted. as such I got my system last summer and never looked back.
it boggles me all new builds are not mandated to have solar however where a survey decides it makes sense. there is also no excuse for the poor effiency of many of our new builds either .

fingers crossed we will see electric cars coming down in price as well as a healthy 2nd hand market. that polestar may be for ever out of my reach however....... but a 4 year old eniro with 40k on the clock.... may be . (but I won't lie. I would be wishing it was an I Pace )

 

[Martini1991]

What are British Gas doing.
I got a £66 credit then a £66 debit lol.

Sat with £582 in credit too because they don't bill me correctly even though I submit readings.

 

[LabR@t]

What are British Gas doing.
I got a £66 credit then a £66 debit lol.

Sat with £582 in credit too because they don't bill me correctly even though I submit readings.

Slight of hand to dupe those that don't pay attention

 

[SDK^]

What are British Gas doing.
I got a £66 credit then a £66 debit lol.

Sat with £582 in credit too because they don't bill me correctly even though I submit readings.

Similar for me with Octopus - I'm in £476 credit but they haven't taken my bills, about £30 a month, for 2 months now. Will be £506 in credit by the 15th October.

I just let them manage their own billing

 

[bigmike20vt]

Slight of hand to dupe those that don't pay attention

come off it. the trouble they would get in if they did that. imo you give them too much credit. it is more likely incompetence (or if feeling charitable due to over work)

 

[Mercenary Keyboard Warrior]

Ouch

Other half hammered the tumble last night, probably 4-5 hours. Cant say exactly how much extra electric it used but was in the region of 7-8 units (based on previous few days)

Need to see if its got a delay on it. Might be too noisy to have it switch on at 0:30 though

Need to see if I can switch the beeps off on the dishwasher, its fine since its well fitted so pretty darn quiet but the three beeps over 1 minute at cycle end are damn loud in the middle of the night!

 

[Gammawolf]

What are British Gas doing.
I got a £66 credit then a £66 debit lol.

Sat with £582 in credit too because they don't bill me correctly even though I submit readings.

It could just be the way they are using their system for the refunds, BG have given me a £66 credit, then they will "refund" that £66, so it appears now as another £66 debit which is pending entry into my bank account on the 10th. Its possible that you are still awaiting the latter half of the process?